It looks fine in preview, but for some reason, it doesn't appear properly when i return to normal view. Feel free to try to embed it for me
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theoretically, the video is between the url above, and this typing.
GordW
Posted on: 02/05/2011 00:17
somegalfromcan
Posted on: 02/05/2011 01:31
Thank you for posting this Pinga and Gord!
Sometimes it's hard to know whether God is calling us to do a task - or something else. If I feel it is God I do my best to act on that calling - asking God for help along the way.
Arminius
Posted on: 02/05/2011 01:50
I think we all are underqualified disciples—but none of us are unqualfied!
We'll never know what we are capable of unless and until we rise to the task.
seeler
Posted on: 02/05/2011 08:00
I love Leanna Good's singing. Did you know she is from Fredericton?
Great song. Nobody is fully qualified until they try.
I can remember when I was too self-conscious to read scripture in church or lead a group in prayer. Pass me, somebody else can do it better. But I was a seeker. I started studying for my own enlightenment. And eventually a retired minister recommended me to a small two-point charge to fill in for six weeks until they received a new minister through settlement. And I bagan my journey to become a lay worship leader.
Listen for the call. Be willing to say "i'll try." And remember that you aren't the first to feel underqualified. Moses, Jacob, Sarah, David, Rehab, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jonah, Paul, the disciples - none with a university degree and ten years experience and two books to their credit.
revjohn
Posted on: 02/05/2011 08:51
Hi Pinga,
Pinga wrote:
So....how much risk are you willing to take as a disciple? What is your sense of readiness to do a task....
I'm not quite certain.
The first task of the disciple, or student, is to learn. Be a sponge and soak up all the knowledge that your teacher has to offer.
The second task of the disciple is to measure. Sort all of the stuff one has learned and place it where it will be most useful. Integration of the knowledge is key, it is to become natural for us and to us.
The third task of the disciple is practice. Eventually a level of competence will be reached where the student/disciple is ready to move into a peer relationship with their mentor/teacher. Depending upon the ability of the student that might be very quickly or it might take more than a little time.
The fourth task of the disciple is to share. Work with other disciples in order to help them when they struggle and be willing to allow other disciples to be a help to them.
I don't know what an underqualified disciple would look like unless they were somehow unable or unwilling to learn and then being a disciple would be an exercise in futility. I do think it is possible for disciples to be underqualified for other roles ie., teacher. Just because one is a disciple one may not be fit to teach as they really do not know much themselves.
As a student I have always been willing to risk what I currently knew for the possibility of learning something new, different or some combination of the two. Which means that some of the things which I feel secure about now are always on the chopping block to see if the blade of some other learning can sever them.
That is a challenge if I allow a particular belief to define who I am.
Of course, if I don't allow who I am to be challenged I can't become anymore than what I am right now.
Grace and peace to you.
John
waterfall
Posted on: 02/05/2011 08:52
Neat song Pinga, I'd never heard it before.
I think we have many "underqualified disciples" around us, even today.
As for how much risk I personally would take, that's a good question. I don't know that we're ever fully prepared when the situation presents itself and maybe that's a good thing. I could overrationilize something as to the anticipated outcome to the point that I might talk myself right out of it and find many excuses to not do it. You have to admire those that sieze the moment without hesitation and react from the gut to effect change for the good of others. I wonder if anyone remembers the man in Tunsisia that set himself on fire that precipitated the middle east crisis that we're hearing about today?
gecko46
Posted on: 02/05/2011 12:11
gecko46
Posted on: 02/05/2011 12:15
Neo
Posted on: 02/05/2011 12:15
Pinga wrote:
Underqualified Disiples
So....how much risk are you willing to take as a disciple? What is your sense of readiness to do a task....
I agree with RevJohn on this. The very definition of the word disciple comes from the Latin word discipulus, or pupil, which is derived from the word discere, to learn. This is were we get the word discern from, meaning to divide and to perceive, e.g. to learn.
I also think to qualify to be a true disciple of the spirit, however, requires more than just a need to learn. Heaven knows the vast majority of the population could be called disciples if this was the case. I think the term has also embraces another derived Latin word, and that is discipline. To be a true disciple of the spirit one must also exercise the disciplines of the spirit, i.e. honestly, sincerity, and a healthy detachment from material, emotional or even mental pursuits. (This last discipline of detachment means that we need to learn not to be overly fanatical and unmoving with regards to money, desires and even our beliefs: everything changes in time, therefore an unhealthy attachment even to our beliefs eventually become a restriction and a kind of prison cell).
gecko46
Posted on: 02/05/2011 12:25
My apologies for the 2 posts above and the video which is not working. Now I can't seem to delete the posts.
Watching the video got me thinking that there are no age limitations on discipleship.
Hope you can access the video through the link below. This youngster has an amazing voice...it will give you goosebumps. Her singing is an answer to a call.
Comments
Pinga
Posted on: 02/05/2011 00:10
Here is a song, that Linnea Good posted tonight:
It looks fine in preview, but for some reason, it doesn't appear properly when i return to normal view. Feel free to try to embed it for me
;
theoretically, the video is between the url above, and this typing.
GordW
Posted on: 02/05/2011 00:17
somegalfromcan
Posted on: 02/05/2011 01:31
Thank you for posting this Pinga and Gord!
Sometimes it's hard to know whether God is calling us to do a task - or something else. If I feel it is God I do my best to act on that calling - asking God for help along the way.
Arminius
Posted on: 02/05/2011 01:50
I think we all are underqualified disciples—but none of us are unqualfied!
We'll never know what we are capable of unless and until we rise to the task.
seeler
Posted on: 02/05/2011 08:00
I love Leanna Good's singing. Did you know she is from Fredericton?
Great song. Nobody is fully qualified until they try.
I can remember when I was too self-conscious to read scripture in church or lead a group in prayer. Pass me, somebody else can do it better. But I was a seeker. I started studying for my own enlightenment. And eventually a retired minister recommended me to a small two-point charge to fill in for six weeks until they received a new minister through settlement. And I bagan my journey to become a lay worship leader.
Listen for the call. Be willing to say "i'll try." And remember that you aren't the first to feel underqualified. Moses, Jacob, Sarah, David, Rehab, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jonah, Paul, the disciples - none with a university degree and ten years experience and two books to their credit.
revjohn
Posted on: 02/05/2011 08:51
Hi Pinga,
So....how much risk are you willing to take as a disciple? What is your sense of readiness to do a task....
I'm not quite certain.
The first task of the disciple, or student, is to learn. Be a sponge and soak up all the knowledge that your teacher has to offer.
The second task of the disciple is to measure. Sort all of the stuff one has learned and place it where it will be most useful. Integration of the knowledge is key, it is to become natural for us and to us.
The third task of the disciple is practice. Eventually a level of competence will be reached where the student/disciple is ready to move into a peer relationship with their mentor/teacher. Depending upon the ability of the student that might be very quickly or it might take more than a little time.
The fourth task of the disciple is to share. Work with other disciples in order to help them when they struggle and be willing to allow other disciples to be a help to them.
I don't know what an underqualified disciple would look like unless they were somehow unable or unwilling to learn and then being a disciple would be an exercise in futility. I do think it is possible for disciples to be underqualified for other roles ie., teacher. Just because one is a disciple one may not be fit to teach as they really do not know much themselves.
As a student I have always been willing to risk what I currently knew for the possibility of learning something new, different or some combination of the two. Which means that some of the things which I feel secure about now are always on the chopping block to see if the blade of some other learning can sever them.
That is a challenge if I allow a particular belief to define who I am.
Of course, if I don't allow who I am to be challenged I can't become anymore than what I am right now.
Grace and peace to you.
John
waterfall
Posted on: 02/05/2011 08:52
Neat song Pinga, I'd never heard it before.
I think we have many "underqualified disciples" around us, even today.
As for how much risk I personally would take, that's a good question. I don't know that we're ever fully prepared when the situation presents itself and maybe that's a good thing. I could overrationilize something as to the anticipated outcome to the point that I might talk myself right out of it and find many excuses to not do it. You have to admire those that sieze the moment without hesitation and react from the gut to effect change for the good of others. I wonder if anyone remembers the man in Tunsisia that set himself on fire that precipitated the middle east crisis that we're hearing about today?
gecko46
Posted on: 02/05/2011 12:11
gecko46
Posted on: 02/05/2011 12:15
Neo
Posted on: 02/05/2011 12:15
Underqualified Disiples
So....how much risk are you willing to take as a disciple? What is your sense of readiness to do a task....
I agree with RevJohn on this. The very definition of the word disciple comes from the Latin word discipulus, or pupil, which is derived from the word discere, to learn. This is were we get the word discern from, meaning to divide and to perceive, e.g. to learn.
I also think to qualify to be a true disciple of the spirit, however, requires more than just a need to learn. Heaven knows the vast majority of the population could be called disciples if this was the case. I think the term has also embraces another derived Latin word, and that is discipline. To be a true disciple of the spirit one must also exercise the disciplines of the spirit, i.e. honestly, sincerity, and a healthy detachment from material, emotional or even mental pursuits. (This last discipline of detachment means that we need to learn not to be overly fanatical and unmoving with regards to money, desires and even our beliefs: everything changes in time, therefore an unhealthy attachment even to our beliefs eventually become a restriction and a kind of prison cell).
gecko46
Posted on: 02/05/2011 12:25
My apologies for the 2 posts above and the video which is not working. Now I can't seem to delete the posts.
Watching the video got me thinking that there are no age limitations on discipleship.
Hope you can access the video through the link below. This youngster has an amazing voice...it will give you goosebumps. Her singing is an answer to a call.
http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=9EFCJMNU