RevLindsayKing
WAS JESUS A MASTER OF PNEUMATISM?
Posted on: 12/21/2013 00:49
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PLACEBOS, NOSCEBOS, MAGICAL HYPNOTIC TRANCES--powerful and mysterious forces for good and evil--were not common words in Jesus' day. But this does not mean that they did not use and feel the impact of what they mean, which I will talk about, later.
Our ancient ancestors, who knew what it was to feel great pain and suffering, and they were not aware of what they thought of as great mysteries--the invisible, physical, mental and spiritual forces and drives, within and around the human body, mind, spirit, soul and heart, which inspired and motivated them to do that which is good and/or evil.
AIR, WIND AND BREATH, TO ANCIENT PEOPLE WERE MYSTERIOUS FORCES OF NATURE
The more simple folk among the ancients thought of these mysterious forces as powerful gods, or god-like beings, who lived, apart from ordinary humans, on the mountains, or in the skies as sun, moon planets and stars.
The more sophisticated ones among the ancients, who invented writing--the priests, prophets, philosophers (lovers of knowledge and wisdom), the astrologers--were the scientists in embryo. They described these forces metaphorically. Thus was created the words, RUAH, RUH, SPIRITUS, PNEUMA--the Hebrew, Arabic, Latin and Greek words for air, wind and breath.
PNEUMATOLOGY--THE STUDY OF THE NATURE, FUNCTION AND MEANING OF SPIRITUALITY--the greatest human quality. Pneumatology gave birth to psychology
Today, this opens up the great opportunity for thoughtful moderns to have a truly meaningful dialogue about the nature and function of SPIRITUALITY--which I think of as the mother of willpower, which social psychology now calls, "the greatest human power". But keep in mind, like any power, such knowledge without wisdom can be used to do much EVIL. The function of this dialogue is to Generate, Organize and Deliver that which is Good, Orderly and Desirable--for all, and just for the privileged few.
From the above I trust you can see that I love etymology--study of the origin and history of words. I hope others share this love, I also love creating neologisms--new words, when needed.
As noted above, our word 'spirit' comes directly from the Latin, SPIRITUS--which refers to air, wind and breath, including the breath of life. It translates the Greek word, 'pneuma'--from the verb, to breathe.
From it we get pneumatics, pneumonia, pneumothorax, and other medical terms. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumotherapy, pneumatology (theologically speaking, it is study of the spirit, human and divine), the Hebrew is 'ruach', the Arabic is 'ruh'.
BTW, speaking of 'pneumatology', back awhile, I introduced this word to Wikipedia. But let us not forget to give much credit to Professor Phillipp Melanchthon, who was a great intellect and a reformer See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philipp_Melanchthon (1497-1560).
He was the one who helped Martin Luther translate the Bible into ordinary German. In the process he coined many words, including pneumatology (study of the spirit) and psychology (study of the mind). I like to point out: Thanks to Melanchthon, pneumatology is the mother of psychology. Both are the parents of 'somatology' (study of the soma, the physical body). In 1 Thessalonians 5: 23, Paul wrote about the need for us to whole in soma, psyche and pneuma.
By the way, in the 1970s, to get away from the magic and hocus pocus of the word 'hypnotism, I began using two new words, which I coined: PNEUMATISM and PNEUMATHERAPY--the spiritual use of hypnotic techniques. I designed what I now call META prayers--"prayers" to be said as positive suggestions and affirmations--for example, I used phrases like, "The Lord IS your shepherd..." No more pleading to a reluctant god up there!
THE PRACTICAL VALUE OF KNOWING THIS
See the work of the great psychiatrist, Dr. Karl Menninger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Menninger
Menninger, a strong supporter of, and elder in, his local Presbyterian church, wrote the book, Whatever Became of Sin? 1973. New York: Hawthorn Books. KM said that much pain and suffering is the result of sin--that is, knowingly doing of that which is immoral and evil and hurts others. He called on all clergy to preach about the need to be aware of this kind of SIN and to help and encourage church members to consciously choose to be moral and human beings, and to help them in the process.
Moral and well-motivated teachers, and preachers can do a great deal to help alleviate much pain and suffering and thus heal many serious physical and mental diseases.
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RevLindsayKing
Posted on: 12/26/2013 15:46
HOW COME THINGS BECAME SCRAMBLED? Anyone know?
THERE! With the help of the Holy Pneuma and PNEUMATERAPY--FAITH AND SPIRITUAL HEALING, it became whole again,
RevLindsayKing
Posted on: 12/24/2013 14:35
Our ancient ancestors, who knew what it was to feel great pain and suffering, and they were not aware of what they thought of as great mysteries--the invisible, physical, mental and spiritual forces and drives, within and around the human body, mind, spirit, soul and heart, which inspired and motivated them to do that which is good and/or evil.
AIR, WIND AND BREATH, TO ANCIENT PEOPLE WERE MYSTERIOUS FORCES OF NATURE
The more simple folk among the ancients thought of these mysterious forces as powerful gods, or god-like beings, who lived, apart from ordinary humans, on the mountains, or in the skies as sun, moon planets and stars.
The more sophisticated ones among the ancients, who invented writing--the priests, prophets, philosophers (lovers of knowledge and wisdom), the astrologers--were the scientists in embryo. They described these forces metaphorically. Thus was created the words, RUAH, RUH, SPIRITUS, PNEUMA--the Hebrew, Arabic, Latin and Greek words for air, wind and breath.
PNEUMATOLOGY--THE STUDY OF THE NATURE, FUNCTION AND MEANING OF SPIRITUALITY--the greatest human quality. Pneumatology gave birth to psychology
Today, this opens up the great opportunity for thoughtful moderns to have a truly meaningful dialogue about the nature and function of SPIRITUALITY--which I think of as the mother of willpower, which social psychology now calls, "the greatest human power". But keep in mind, like any power, such knowledge without wisdom can be used to do much EVIL. The function of this dialogue is to Generate, Organize and Deliver that which is Good, Orderly and Desirable--for all, and just for the privileged few.
From the above I trust you can see that I love etymology--study of the origin and history of words. I hope others share this love, I also love creating neologisms--new words, when needed.
As noted above, our word 'spirit' comes directly from the Latin, SPIRITUS--which refers to air, wind and breath, including the breath of life. It translates the Greek word, 'pneuma'--from the verb, to breathe.
From it we get pneumatics, pneumonia, pneumothorax, and other medical terms. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumotherapy, pneumatology (theologically speaking, it is study of the spirit, human and divine), the Hebrew is 'ruach', the Arabic is 'ruh'.
BTW, speaking of 'pneumatology', back awhile, I introduced this word to Wikipedia. But let us not forget to give much credit to Professor Phillipp Melanchthon, who was a great intellect and a reformer See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philipp_Melanchthon (1497-1560).
He was the one who helped Martin Luther translate the Bible into ordinary German. In the process he coined many words, including pneumatology (study of the spirit) and psychology (study of the mind). I like to point out: Thanks to Melanchthon, pneumatology is the mother of psychology. Both are the parents of 'somatology' (study of the soma, the physical body). In 1 Thessalonians 5: 23, Paul wrote about the need for us to whole in soma, psyche and pneuma.
By the way, in the 1970s, to get away from the magic and hocus pocus of the word 'hypnotism, I began using two new words, which I coined: PNEUMATISM and PNEUMATHERAPY--the spiritual use of hypnotic techniques. I designed what I now call META prayers--"prayers" to be said as positive suggestions and affirmations--for example, I used phrases like, "The Lord IS your shepherd..." No more pleading to a reluctant god up there!
THE PRACTICAL VALUE OF KNOWING THIS
See the work of the great psychiatrist, Dr. Karl Menninger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Menninger
Menninger, a strong supporter of, and an elder in, his local Presbyterian church, wrote the book, Whatever Became of Sin? 1973. New York: Hawthorn Books.
KM said that much pain and suffering is the result of sin--that is, knowingly doing of that which is immoral and evil and hurts others. He called on all clergy to preach about the need to be aware of this kind of SIN and to help and encourage church members to consciously choose to be moral and human beings, and to help them in the process.
FIRST HEAL THE SPIRIT, THE HEART AND MIND
Moral, ethical, humane and well-motivated leaders, teachers, and preachers, and the like can, do a great deal to help alleviate much pain and suffering and thus heal many serious physical and mental diseases.
RevLindsayKing
Posted on: 12/21/2013 22:50
That was an interesting phenomenon! Well, my old friend Lucifer Devil
--the old light bearer from long, long ago. Now do it again. I know your power. All you need to say, let there be light, eh! 
ThanX! 
Why are you crying?
I'm
because I am SOO00ooo happy I met you again! 
BTW, old frined that when, in Matt. 11: 29-30, Jesus said, "Come unto me all you who labour and heavy laden and I will give you rest... Take my yoke upon you ... my yoke is easy and my burden is lite ... "
Did you know that the Greek for sleep and rest is HYPNOS? And too, the Greek for yoke is similar to YOGA--join with, be at one with all that is ...
It is said: PERHAPS JESUS SPENT SOME OF THOSE YEARS WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TRAVELLING TO THE FAR EAST. To this day Muslims honour a "tomb of Jesus" in Kashmir. Anyone know any more about this "story"?
Interestingly, in John 4, we read that to the Samaritan woman he said: God is PNEUMA--the very air, the wind and breath of life, not just some idol-like god sitting on a mountain, or in a temple somewhere! If he were, he would be nothing more than an idol.
Kimmio
Posted on: 12/21/2013 02:56
Lol! What the bleep happened over on your other thread? I've never seen that before.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/21/2013 09:02
That happened to me last week. I happened to go into the preview mode first before posting and realized the kerfluffle. I had to double space the article to get it to spread out.
Linds, is an ancient word in aural fashion something coming from the mouth just below the fore temple? Then when breathing hard in an emotional moment ... what would a common person say?
The higher ups don't like to hear words of pain from the subtle sorts ... those below eM. Thus the concern for little people by people known as devils by the airy crew ... that in truth and supple dropping of hints refers to the common denominators ... or demos to the ethereal bunch. Thus to know anything about common sense ... one has to humble themselves with the crowd ... sort of like a fish hiding in a school of thought ... how the soul disguises itself Eire-like ... some say hairy or even Harry in Newfoundlands pool ... affectionatly known as Hibb's Hole!
Such is an astonishing tale to describe a myth about which no one can make high definition ... the state of the human psyche ... it is filmous to say least ... like Black Lace and quite toxic when ignorant about transcendant Eire's ... there's a fluing dark critter to say least about indeterminates ... thoughts! They alter quickly in some examples of explicite disordering ... or miss anthropy!
Arminius
Posted on: 12/21/2013 10:09
It was so blasphemous that God bleeped it out.
MikeBPaterson
Posted on: 12/21/2013 11:50
Jesus was never far (less than 200 miles) from Damascus, an important eastern Mediterranean terminus for the old Silk Road that carried goods from "the East", including China, into the Roman Empire. Traders and their hired animal handlers and bodyguards cwere exposed along the way to many cultures that were enomously rich in ideas, religions, proto-science and insights. Buddhists operated caravanserai (places of overnight hospitality) along the route, and these turned in many cases into teaching monasteries. Around 2-3AD, there was a Buddhist mission to Caesar Augustus.
Even if he stayed at home, Jesus would have had exposure to a pretty vast flow of ideas and faiths at a time in history when ordinary people were keenly interested in religious and philosophical ideas. Judea was not an isolated enclave despite the narrowness of the pharisees and the airs of the Temple priests… both of whom Jesus criticised sharply. And, when he was criticised for exclusivism, he took it on board as a sign of his critic's faith. Then there's the story of the Samaritan.
The cities of the "Decapolis" were all around… drawing people into Gaeco-Roman "high" culture and the ideas of the day. Jerusalem could not have escaped these influences… just inside its important Damascus Gate was a Roman marketplace… no wonder the Temple priiests were defensive.
If anyone wants, I can send a draft of a paper I'm working on about Jesus as a redactor of ideas that were around in his day. I'd be very inetersted in an ongoing discussion about this.
Lindsay: you might like to look into Mozi's ideas… originating in China 500 years or so before Jesus. And various scholars, from Will and Ariel Durant on, have variously identified suggestions of Egyptian, Greek, Buddhist tinking, etc, in early Christianity — and, given the generation gap to the authorship of the Gospels, and the way that oral cultures assimilate and convey narrative — a creative, assimilating, integrating and self-editing process that intensifies and extends — it makes most sense to think of the received accounts as the works of these early communities. (There was no "history" in the modern sense — the famous Roman historiograpgers were really propagandists… even modern historical theory and methodology is shifting sand.)
I am fairly confident that Jesus set the scene for an integrative, oral methodology — well aware of of the way oral cultures worked. The orality was the key to his "resurrection"… but from Constantine onwards mainstrean Christianity has become obsessively introverted, defensive, fearful of syncretism and exclusivist. I'd love to see a NEW Christian "mission" (it's there in our interfaith dialogues) that goes out into the World to listen and to learn, not to judge and annihilate — nothing if Jesus' teachings justifies that long practiced business of narrow-minded theological and spiritual conquest.
Many mansions? Yes. I think so.
RevLindsayKing
Posted on: 12/21/2013 20:33
Even if he stayed at home, Jesus would have had exposure to a pretty vast flow of ideas and faiths at a time in history when ordinary people were keenly interested in religious and philosophical ideas. Judea was not an isolated enclave despite the narrowness of the pharisees and the airs of the Temple priests… both of whom Jesus criticised sharply. And, when he was criticised for exclusivism, he took it on board as a sign of his critic's faith. Then there's the story of the Samaritan.
The cities of the "Decapolis" were all around… drawing people into Gaeco-Roman "high" culture and the ideas of the day. Jerusalem could not have escaped these influences… just inside its important Damascus Gate was a Roman marketplace… no wonder the Temple priiests were defensive.
If anyone wants, I can send a draft of a paper I'm working on about Jesus as a redactor of ideas that were around in his day. I'd be very inetersted in an ongoing discussion about this.
Lindsay: you might like to look into Mozi's ideas… originating in China 500 years or so before Jesus. And various scholars, from Will and Ariel Durant on, have variously identified suggestions of Egyptian, Greek, Buddhist tinking, etc, in early Christianity — and, given the generation gap to the authorship of the Gospels, and the way that oral cultures assimilate and convey narrative — a creative, assimilating, integrating and self-editing process that intensifies and extends — it makes most sense to think of the received accounts as the works of these early communities. (There was no "history" in the modern sense — the famous Roman historiograpgers were really propagandists… even modern historical theory and methodology is shifting sand.)
I am fairly confident that Jesus set the scene for an integrative, oral methodology — well aware of of the way oral cultures worked. The orality was the key to his "resurrection"… but from Constantine onwards mainstrean Christianity has become obsessively introverted, defensive, fearful of syncretism and exclusivist. I'd love to see a NEW Christian "mission" (it's there in our interfaith dialogues) that goes out into the World to listen and to learn, not to judge and annihilate — nothing if Jesus' teachings justifies that long practiced business of narrow-minded theological and spiritual conquest.
Many mansions? Yes. I think so.
BTW, because of freezing rain and power interruptions, in the Toronto-area now, I might have to write my comments, later... stay TUNED!
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MIKE, PERHAPS JESUS SPENT SOME OF THOSE YEARS, ABOUT WHICH WE KNOW NOTHING, STUDYING AT U.O.L--The University of Life. Later, I think I met HIM at http://www.mta.ca/about/
BTW, he was a great guy. Chancelor Peter Mansbridge, interviewwed him. GREAT EH! And a Canadian, eh?
RevLindsayKing
Posted on: 12/21/2013 22:56
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/22/2013 08:53
The gods will bleep anything ... they simply do not wish you to understand ... be illiterate is the rule.
It is easier to pull the wool over the eyes of someone who doesn't know. This is evil creep of ignorance ... why Scott peck said it was dangerous to work with evil alone. One should have resources to fall back on why not some bloody humur as blasphemous. But then come to think of it blood was used as binder in ink at one time.
Now doe the mythological soul have some connection to word play? This is probably evil too if you look at it from god(s) IDe ... a pure emotional indeterminant like IT's mire image in dirty form ... the clay of man?
One should get into IT and Maas around a bit so you have intellect all about your emotional core ... a co daed thing ---Joyce (odd name for a man to wear)! These things can be built up from Runes ... hated fragments of the past linguistic style ... people in high places hate history ... reflects on eM!
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/22/2013 10:37
To reconfigure the allegorical pneumatic with mnemonic ...
Does this describe mental intersticies ... gaps in thought? From a file la-Bell'd Between Spaces: as several strings are spanned in multilateral processing that creates a tangle of thoughts for those unconditioned to mental process ... following the heart alone ...
Inter Mede (i) Aries …
You lack vision sometimes Neo and therefore see through the glass darkly. Your disdain for Chanson colours your vision. Or not. But anyone can claim anything of anyone, right?
Such defines fine media that is generally unknown to the business of the world as they are often left in un-contemplative (non-processed) states! There are however hermeneutics, con-sequences that follow for those without vision … nothing?
Thus why one should approach god and god's population (th’eM as root mean square) carefully ... they are dangerous without some shade of the "pipal" tree ... saves one from burning up inde Light of a Son without clues? A working moel/mule/mus' ... being a pain to the mule ... thus causing some Classic Thought patterns right out of the depths of time?
Whose crazy docter’n? One has to peer into de MIR ... spatial dimensions ... metaphorically of course so one could get some clues into the allegorical nature of myth and mythe’logos ... unbelievable maas of words when you realize how few we know. Does this speak to your con-science? I was told by some fundamentalist there is no conscience only church laws ... and thus the hard temple as the brain develops an Oz eM case for dipping (sapient behaviour) undercurrent factors of subtlety (as in əĐ’mist, hazing of the perspective)? They can be supple as soft soap in catharsis ... when the damn thing is washed to see if there is some indeterminate (imaginary) gold there. This is that far off chimerii thing you see in the soul mates eye as they are booted up ... as in the sol' tree ... an intitiation of thought? That'll get some fixated sorts cranked and twisted ...
From the other side of the myth this could be a’mus-NG ... good thing few understand such comments, or I could be judged to be out-of-'ere ... thus looking at reality from the wrong side ... imagining IT could be beta? Heiseinberg would be pleased. If only the present state of real things could see themselves from another angle ... is this obtuse reference to OBI's that would be occult to those not understanding explicit views? Leads one to question insipient behaviour of extra dimensional states of mind! There’s a’ Moor?
Zechariah 2:10 ...
Wouldn't that fall just warm the cockles of your heart strings to the point of vernacular twang ... accrude OEM'r? The medium between hell and heav'n states of indeterminate (that being reference to psyche; thyshoul where run aground) as eliminated by mortal desires that grew out of proportion to what they know. When one realizes how little we know of the mire we live in, especially about a larger survival, one begins to wonder ...
Don't Eve's drop (leaf’s from hysterical Classic Time) ... I am convening with my ithchis IDe that dimension where things can be built from scratch ... as well laid down! Totally allegorical so the hard cases won't catch on to ethereal's tuff ... to understand for them in their emotional storms ...
Why the other side rambles ... so “rule” (idée) won't know the difference ... as divined solace ... brings balance to floaters, sometimes seen as UFO’s---Archi Medes ... he took a bath, discovered the buoyant soul … Nos hytes … h-ite; different than hyp’ (hypo/hype)!
Thus bubbles, captions and other ethereal mental cases come to the surface on the other side … upset that some would say is facetious, or just Tue cheeky for coming from an ass in foul d’ Eire. Those deire things when encountered in the forest as dryads that may develop into nymphs … like the pipal tree! It gets so you can’t see the trees for the fore stalled state you’re in while a’rested in unseen quantum dimensions!
Everyone needs a break from the gods … and thus we have this only way out into pure knowledge when resting under the tree as in that subliminal suggestion about the tree with yellow ribbons! Alas some see only isolated things where some see a vast array hidden there as spectre of all that’s vo-Din … like wood cut print? Such printed imaginations define the soul of the pipal … a’MIR knothole in the authority’s perspective? Thus demo-crazy is the root of pain to authority because of the volume (tomb) of thought that’s out there. This is republican regress that leads to riffs and rifts in-Terre-mediating forces that are weak enough to be out of here, sort of hung up on the solar winds … mnemonic-ally, pneumonic in other opposing traditions, one exhaling while the other ingests! Theis might appear in jest … thus the Joker or Jack’s tint.
Arminius
Posted on: 12/22/2013 12:02
Yes, Linds and Mike, Jesus grew up right by the famous Silk Road, which was a conduit not only for goods but also for ideas, from the Far East to the Middle East and North Africa. I'm sure he picked up some new ideas there, but I am equally sure that he was a mystic who formulated his uniquely own ideas based on his own mystical experiences.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/22/2013 12:45
Is that smooth as silk, or just lithe ... as in lithographic from wood print, or as the German would say vo'do graphics(originating from the bo'tree; and the kick to the donkey to get it initiated)? This led on to the Gudden Berg Press, a mountainous objective to bring word (vord; foord) to the world as a carrier of thought and knowledge? Such stuff was repulsive to the emotions ...
The Gods didn't like it ... to say little on this subject they don't think and go by the word only "without a clue" (san sclues, or clow's) to the smooth nature of how it enters the un-conscious state ... nothing stranger than the functions and process of soul ... allegorically the mind that is denied by authoritarian powers that wish freedom of wiles ... consequences? General screw up as Jacked ... high?
The odd world we live in ... and it ... believe me crazy! Just look about yah at the degraded, and degrading environment where the loss of understanding of Classic Knowledge is fading fast as a tree cut down in haste to build temples to mortal gods ...
Enough to drive OEM*Tiye off his Wahl ... as an egg*nate*shin ... enough to light a hidden pyre ... Ignatious of little Asia, very lo' character in the Roman Religious Circe?
MikeBPaterson
Posted on: 12/22/2013 12:46
"Uniquely" is arguable, Armi.
But Jesus was certainly a remarkably gifted redactor and integrator of the wisdom traditions of his day and managed, "uniquely", to integrate transcendence and immanence… in Jesus' teachings, there is not one without the other…
A mystic, yes. But also a radical advocate for material and political justice.
I cannot take a reading from his teachings that lets us off the hook of expressing mystical insight as political activism.
We need to be ready, not to kill, but to die for the poor. We are called to sacrifice comfort and material security for the sake of social justice.
In today's World, as in the past, Jesus seems intent on our becoming whole people, perfect (whole) as "god" is perfect… part of a dynamic transformation. It is a transformation that never rests because it defines existence itself and the moment conatins the infities, as it is contained by the infinite.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/22/2013 12:52
You could say that's O ... and not know "Y" ... or "X" for that matter chi's the arche-type psychic experience .... takes time for sapient (those to be wise, to know) to become beyond somnolent ...
Alas these are alien words ... and you know how the stoic are about strangers ... why modern Christians shy away from processing daemons ... considering the source of emons ... they are lost in layers of time like the understanding of onon an onions would bring tiers to your eis ... in indistinct onanism! Allegorically the scattering of thought when IT hit a hard place in spatial concept ... heav'n gnoes ...
Arminius
Posted on: 12/22/2013 13:16
A mystic, yes. But also a radical advocate for material and political justice.
I cannot take a reading from his teachings that lets us off the hook of expressing mystical insight as political activism.
Others, too, may have expressed their mystical insights as political activism, but Jesus died for it and became a most famous example. He lived and died for the ideal of social justice, and inspired us to be social activists ourselves.
Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, at the height of their political power, condemned Nelson Mandela as a communist and terrorist. I wonder what they would have said about Jesus, had they been Roman Procurators for the province of Judea at the time of Jesus?
MikeBPaterson
Posted on: 12/22/2013 13:40
I'm guilty of it all the time I know but… the teaching "do not judge" (seeming at odds with social activism) is basic to Jesus' activism: LOVE is the strong arm of Jesus' revolution. Love for all, unconditional love.
This was first formulated as far as we know, by Mozi in China, 500 years before Jesus. But Jesus saw it as elemental, as a necessary foundation of faith. And vice-versa.
To express that love we have to let ourselves be engulfed by "god"s in the fullness of transformation. As far as I know, all I can take to that is trust.
Arminius
Posted on: 12/22/2013 14:34
I'm guilty of it all the time I know but… the teaching "do not judge" (seeming at odds with social activism) is basic to Jesus' activism: LOVE is the strong arm of Jesus' revolution. Love for all, unconditional love.
This was first formulated as far as we know, by Mozi in China, 500 years before Jesus. But Jesus saw it as elemental, as a necessary foundation of faith. And vice-versa.
To express that love we have to let ourselves be engulfed by "god"s in the fullness of transformation. As far as I know, all I can take to that is trust.
Hi Mike:
Variations of the idea of unconditional love were also formulated by Gautama the Buddha, around the same time, in India. And in China by Lao Tsu and Confucius.
Yes, Jesus' social activism was not mere social activism but activism rooted in, and steeped in, universal, unconditional love. He loved his oppressors and executioners as much as his fellow activists. This loving and non-judgemental path is difficult to follow, even for those of us who choose to follow it.
Jesus' idea of universal unitive love may have been conceived in his mystical experience of unity. From my experience, unitive love is the inevitable outcome of the unitive experience. In addition to idealizing, practicing, and teaching unitive love, we should encourage the contemplative practices that can lead to a unitive mystical experience and thus to the direct experience of unitive love. This is far more compelling than mere teaching.
Faith, then, becomes unconditional trust in the loving and godly dimension we experience. Also, absolute trust in that dimension can lead to a direct mystical experience of the dimension. Universal unitive love can be both the cause and the effect of a unitive mystical experience.
Arminius
Posted on: 12/22/2013 14:45
Now to the question of this thread:
WAS JESUS A MASTER OF PNEUMATISM?
If "Pneumatism" is defined as the transcendental or transformative power or force of the universe, then I would say, yes, Jesus was a master of that power.
And we are his apprentices (I hope :-)
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/22/2013 20:44
Is that enough to blow the passions away as one initiates thought in a beginning of Wiz'dumb?
John Wilson
Posted on: 12/22/2013 22:13
,WB:
It is easier to pull the wool over the eyes of someone who doesn't know.
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Easier with someone who just thinks they know.
From The American Journal of Psychiatry:
"Elegant functional brain studies have provided a growing body of evidence
that the cerebellum is involved in the modulation of cognative and emotional activites -
the process of attachment - crucal for individual and species survival have its roots reaching as deep as the cerebellum which shares with the frontal and posterior cingulate
cortex the sorrows of bereavement. "
I do think study is better than repeated conjecture
...but that's merely a conjecture....
"
RevLindsayKing
Posted on: 12/23/2013 03:06
WAS JESUS A MASTER OF PNEUMATISM?
If "Pneumatism" is defined as the transcendental or transformative power or force of the universe, then I would say, yes, Jesus was a master of that power.
And we are his apprentices (I hope :-)
Recently, in a bio-thread about living with the ego--an intrinsic component of human nature I find very interesting--I asked a fellow poster: How do you feel about my using neo-logisms, like 'pneumatism' and 'pneumatherapy'? I am looking forward to a response.
REGARDLESS, IMO, AGAPE-LOVE IS ABOUT BEING AWAKE & AWARE TO THE TRUTH THAT LIFE IS AN ART, IT ABOUT DOING, NOT JUST BELIEVING
Here I will define 'pneumatherapy' simply as using ones personal willpower--it matters not how small (remember the Parable of the Mustard Seed?) or large it is--simply start the process--the Pneuma will provided the knowledge and power we need to be, know, do and grow, to evolve. Read, carefully, what Jesus said to the woman from Samaria, in John 4.
Simply begin by choosing, without conditions, to heal ones own spirit by practicing the art of being and doing simple acts of kindness, to self and others, including everyone and excluding no one. By the way, Pope Francis I, the present pope, is by example, preaching and doing precisely this, like St. Francis before him, did.
Willpower used this way will help anyone--physically, mentally, and socially--be a healthy and joy-filled spirits, and thus have a healthy bodies (soma) and minds (psyche) as, together, we travel on the pilgrimage we call life.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/23/2013 08:42
Deviate cognition on the state of mind ... Occipital vs occidental and oriented?
This is something that appears to be the soul of ego (poorly understood social theory) considering that many do not believe the state of psyche exists and thus as consequence can't think. Consider; does anybody understand social theory in a civilizated state of anti social grace (giving, or state of aDoni) this could all be mythological ... or things that real people don't wish to understand as powers suffering the effects of being jews'd or juiced as with ecclectic conditions ... and thus sapient. Researce sapient as a portion of God ... the Word is out there!
John,
To such injured awareness one must take a wind of compassion as Linds stated and blow a myth of cynacism into that dead (somnolant) zone so as to cause a pure bit of knowledge to grow as the 'inde, or Hindi belief in the botree ... where a dying cowboy hangs his useless soul if he didn't connect with a cowgirl at Christmas time to create some hot Eire, warm-Ur conditions ...
Wouldn't that be heated cynacism (that few conceive of) warm the cockles of the brain as a hard shelled eVice?
This probably occured when saint Niche of Cusa dropped that heavy baggage (gold) down a cheminii and the disturbance caused a rise of soot and dirt (mire seed of story) that no one without a cede of mind/sole (as a collected thing, ecclesiastically in season) could reflect of echo at them ... and such genre of good will expanded in an old rift ... that may be a riff or a schism ... being that word has evolved so much to hide what we don't wish to know as a hazing.
It is difficult to explain without foreign intelligence drawn from the sarah bell-eM ... the devilish thinking head in ancient myth ... like when they laid commons-ense flat out on a platter for serving. The platter became a pageboy or Yeoman that serves hoersis ... and thus the HS and every Hebrew knows the silent Holy dimension as "heh" so that such thought out word became just "s" or essence of a lost thought that is sometimes expressed as "þ" a Latin letter called eshe, or ethe in true agreement with "ð" the crossed metaphor of the Greek Delta that could be misconstrued as an "S" if you didn't know any strange icons that were at one time Semites. This is all included in the monolithic deshe down that Yellow Brick Road as if there was no endtwit, so the myth becomes more indeterminate like the room in the inn which was a kahn in older linguistics, thus the lighter thought became like canned O'Sean Eire ... no one could get at IT! But you could put some effort into getting intuit! Such is a lifetime effort like Job's ... and things are redone over and over in the repetition of stupid tests ... because simply .. we can't learn well what you didn't wish in the first place as alfa position of perspective ... without clues of a love driven dogma ... some docterine right?
Like social theory that is just conjecture if you don't believe in such complex association of things past, present and future ... how could you conjure up a complex thing like mine, or mind in a simple world that would be happy for a KISS of God when they don't know how large that is and how it carries the smell of smack and thus the auroma in the pews? Such is the auroma of the unknown ... a dead language system in which no one recalls anything of the original structures of the time-consumed mined. Thus the father of time sucks it up like primal power ... an eLLe've a soup to be in, no? Some call it a univeral stir ...
I profess to know all these scraps and still not understand (like 'OEM'r Simpson; a code-X name) as I am dissallowed knowing by social agreement which obviously doesn't exist. Alas some academics from the't horny bush of rejected wisdom will say that this is mythological and not real in a world of true energy ... but then most of those that don't know they don't know much in an infinite field (load of entropy?) may be confused by their desires ... a normal condition here it seems given the state psyche is in ... all twisted out of shape by what she/chi/"X" sees of what they've done to her archetypical unknown domain ... the structure of words ... a variable dark thing as a Shadow of thought as the botree grows unconsciously ...
Compared to passion that is clearly common in the human state of avarice, thought is obviously dark. Now if passion is positive energy, then thought would be dark energy and thus an unseen entity like word on the page. This is nothing you could accept if you didn't believe there was something dark and mysterious about myth of what people know ... that amounts to nothing in the total sum game (gam'Oz oaring) ... that goes on for quite a stretch that is Ankh in Egyptian myth that could squawk out a song like a Hank Snow job on being everywhere ... this is the cri of the kahn'd body of light ... that is darkened with an excess of passion that requires moderation and mellowing ... like mrs is clause ... the other genre in the myth ... so took psyche's position, or so chi thought!
This what a thingk is evolving but I don't truly know as I am not allowed such an enlightened destination by authorities that suggest I'm crazy ... which defines a state devoid of thought pretty well in my experience ... and I've encounted a few holes in space that might be the core values of some avarice ... real donkies in the outside perspective of fringe thinkers on business. In business I was distinctly told not to think about anything but react quickly ... then they asked why I performed stupidly? What can you do with such a crowd, mob or other human pool of moral nature withoutout ETics that stand up like a botree in a's hole? And a hole in space is still a void, but where you could store thoughts away from the emotional mob or mad ding crowd ... started by the expulsion of the kushy dong ... a high country myth about people out there high on thinking ... an arid, or Eire ID process that apposes excess Ego ... if you know what I mean! Some ba'aLance is required to burst the emotional bubble once in a while to allow entrance of thought ... the Shadow creeping across the Yeoman ... heh being the carrier that serves as bier ... Matthew's Job in the primary gospel as publican. This it carries on ...
Do you know how many get high on this stuff, being they're lacking the foundational concepts? It compares to the Capital Semite of the Greek Delta versus the Lamda ... one has a closed bottom sort of like an imposed thong ... a sort of cord that has to be undone to get relief from levite sects ... and thus string conjurations ... how else to connect unrelated things in lacy fashion? Ask a Spanish Dan Sir while on the fly ... it could be a son dance while dressed in a'pauling style ... the exterior point as conceived ... rye?
One has to love the thought ... sort of foreign philosophy ... denied Romans ... in the weird world of the western mind ... a raptured state of RIFFs and rafts? Where you really have to work to float a thought where things are easily put down to sublime forces. This happens when you are on the other side from what was previously eastern ... like Nip on the Sun ... just a wee bit! Can cause a rise ... once considered a dissonant Eris ... chi didn't get ID!
Arminius
Posted on: 12/23/2013 09:44
WAS JESUS A MASTER OF PNEUMATISM?
If "Pneumatism" is defined as the transcendental or transformative power or force of the universe, then I would say, yes, Jesus was a master of that power.
And we are his apprentices (I hope :-)
Recently, in a bio-thread about living with the ego--an intrinsic component of human nature I find very interesting--I asked a fellow poster: How do you feel about my using neo-logisms, like 'pneumatism' and 'pneumatherapy'? I am looking forward to a response.
REGARDLESS, IMO, AGAPE-LOVE IS ABOUT BEING AWAKE & AWARE TO THE TRUTH THAT LIFE IS AN ART, IT ABOUT DOING, NOT JUST BELIEVING
Here I will define 'pneumatherapy' simply as using ones personal willpower--it matters not how small (remember the Parable of the Mustard Seed?) or large it is--simply start the process--the Pneuma will provided the knowledge and power we need to be, know, do and grow, to evolve. Read, carefully, what Jesus said to the woman from Samaria, in John 4.
Simply begin by choosing, without conditions, to heal ones own spirit by practicing the art of being and doing simple acts of kindness, to self and others, including everyone and excluding no one. By the way, Pope Francis I, the present pope, is by example, preaching and doing precisely this, like St. Francis before him, did.
Willpower used this way will help anyone--physically, mentally, and socially--be a healthy and joy-filled spirits, and thus have a healthy bodies (soma) and minds (psyche) as, together, we travel on the pilgrimage we call life.
Yes, Linds, I agree.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/23/2013 10:47
Thus the wind blows ... in cycles ...
RevLindsayKing
Posted on: 12/25/2013 00:33
Thus the wind blows ... in cycles ...
As Mike put it, Jesus was a "great integrator" and "redactor''--one who, with help of course, gets spoken words ready for publication. As far as we know, Jesus was not, himself, a writer.
But there is no doubt that he was literate--perhaps in more than Aramaic, the common language of the descendants of Abraham. And, keep in mind: It was Jesus whose life inspired those who did write about him to take his words and marry them with words from the ancient writings of his own Middle-Eastern Hebrew culture, and to blend with them words from the writings of other cultures. Here I include those of Buddhism, Hinduism and so on. Thus we get what we call the New Testament. But let us not forget the Gnostic Gospels and other extra Biblical writings.
In my opinion, Jesus was a great Pneumatologist--one who is student of spirituality. And this was long before Phillip Melancthon, the reformer and helper of Martin Luther, coined this new word in the 16th Century.
THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD--TOTAL REALITY
Jesus put a great deal of emphasis on the idea of the Holy Spirit (Pneuma) and what it means to be spiritual--free from the limitations of three-dimensional materiality. Check any Concordance and take note of how many references there are to this term. But for him, The Spirit is not a separate being, but simply an essential component of Total Being, or Total Reality--what I think of as Divine Being.
As I understand it, Jesus was a component builder, a builder of wholeness. He was a problem solver, but not who solves our problems for us. But rather, by the inspiration of his spirit, he inspires and teaches us how to do it for ourselves and to pass on this skill to all who are willing to learn, especially our family. "Blessed" he said, "are the meek (the teachable), for they shall inherit the earth."
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/25/2013 08:55
And thus the soul-Eire (Ar') winds fight against the winds of darkness, ignorance and passion ... somewhere in betwix a sort of calm passion that's kohl grey matter ...
Like blue psychopathy ... there is another kind!
Kinda gets one into light though doesn't it ... about what we don't know ... the archetypical unknown as one icon ... that's "X" or chi in other traditions ... looking at it from the other sideof genre ... an old word for a different spirit ... one dark thinking lady if chi remains un-requited ... a germane requiem, or you could ask what do you suppose they meant by that? Could be nothing if they don't believe in thought, psyche and the brains of the thing ...
Have a merry Deis Linds ...
MikeBPaterson
Posted on: 12/25/2013 12:49
Hi Lindsay:
Pneumatism? I don't know how helpful the label is… it seems to distance things for me.
I think we’d do well to approach the widest possible library of early Christian writings as teaching narratives. None were put down in writing to be conceptually frozen as proto-historical documents, nor to be reduced to dry bones by literalistic misunderstandings or assertions. Some words were put down for the sake of persuasion among contemporaries, some were hearsay and opinion and most left a lot unsaid.
An oral culture transmits itself by telling stories, sharing meaningful imagery and music. It is rooted in life experience, the smelsl of dust and and the price of fish. It assumes contextual continua, and radical or abrupt external change can often be ruinous. In Christianity’s case, Roman state authorization and adoption of an approved cannon of sources was more deeply damaging than the persecutions.
Roman Catholicism has spent 1500 years coming to terms with it and, like each of the many saints it has somehow produced, continues to struggle. Protestantism’s embrace of the social liberation that accompanied Rationalism and the Enlightenment, and our delight in the regicides that culminated in the extinction of the Romanovs, were at the expense of our capacities for faith — not because of the social improvements these actions and reforms gave us but because of the way our conceptual universe shifted at its foundations.
Nowadays, for example, younger generations are finding literature like Edmund Spenser (whose writing I loved as a seven year-old and gave me my most valuable education in writing) and Shakespeare totally impenetrable; just 500 years of social change has drop-kicked some of our most culturally significant literature out of the park.
We must not let ourselves be so awed by the Bible’s significance that we do not recognize or feel its conceptual collapse.
Translations and the contexts in which we offer it to the World only make it worse. The Holy Q’ran has us there because it is still borne aloft on the vivacity and cultural dynamism of Arabic. It still has living referents and contexts that make sense.
There is still a small Aramaic-speaking Syriac church… it is surrounded by Zionist and Islamist dysfunction and violence, and our lack of interest, or even curiosity. Should we protect this ancient little branch of our faith, or try to seek out its insights and understandings, for what they are worth, before it is too late?
As far as I know, and as far is is known to a Syriac bagpiping friend of mine, a bodybuilding Palestinian who, with his brother, runs a Boy Scout pipe band for the Syriac Church in Bethlehem. They struggle with Israeli imposed curfews and police actions, the wall and their inaccessibility to the wider world.
I don’t find it helpful to label Jesus’ skills or arts too specifically. They all found their reason, power and significance in a time and place 1500 years and several cultures more remote from us that Shakespeare and Spenser. We lose the plot — the compulsions to love, hope, trust, courage — when we ignore those chasms.
How do we rediscover the wealth of Jesus’ ministry?
A good place to start is to learn the ways of listening that survive in primal cultures, even among Canada’s too-frequently despised native peoples — we need to learn to listen to story and let it transform us as we question, debate and discuss what it “really, really means”: inwardly, personally.
We have to get out of our heads and hearts the sickness of understanding that demands pedestrian factuality. It is a narrow, supremacist monoview, a form of creative dysfuncyion. It exists for the culture that surrounds us. It is as unhelpful as engineering standards to poetry.
When we listen to stories — not for what they might literally “mean” but for what they “do” to us and what they reveal in us — we find that some that make connections and draw us on into trust, love, faith and action. There’s not a word of it we have to “believe”. Rather, we need to let the wisdom radiate, like the smells of hot bread fresh from the oven… scripture can be as irresistible. “The Kingdom” is WITHIN… what we “know” and “believe” and “measure”. “Reason” is out “there”, building roads, raising architecture, fashioning machines : “Caesar stuff”.
Transformed by listening, we can take goodness into Caesar’s World, we can take justice and compassion, fearlessness and love… once our faith commands it. We cannot serve two masters and Caesar can own us only through our complicity and consent.
Caesar’s World will become a better, less overwhelmingly powerful place through our faith and, as a better place, it will give the Caesars less scope for the brutal ways of imposing their will that the World sees too much of… the daily news should persuade us that there’s a big future for that kind of “goodness”… for our faith.
chansen
Posted on: 12/25/2013 14:21
The title made me think of compressed air, and I was hoping that pneumatism was related to the study of it. The compressed text was rather ironic.
Arminius
Posted on: 12/25/2013 14:50
To the Jews, the Old Testament is "midrash," meaning sacred stories, legends, and mythology with a deeper meaning that has to be discerned by the reader and contemplator. The New Testament, too, belongs in this category. To take the New Testament and the Christmas Story literally diminishes its deeper meaning. Mythology, when taken literally, can, and frequently does, become absurdity.
I think "pneuma," the way Linds means it, is "spirit," and pneumatology is the study of spirit. One could also say that pneuma is a universal power or force, much like gravity, electromagnetism, the strong and the weak force, etc. Pneuma would be the basic creative force, the transcendental or transformative force that transcends dualities and makes one thing into its opposite, like wave into particle. The recently discovered Higgs Boson seems to be the carrier of such a force.
This force is active in us and all around us, so why should we not be able to master it?
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/26/2013 09:12
To get to this central point from a world of "over-blown"desires ...
Would one have to bore into the core of that chilling wind? Now there's something to metaphorically douse the spirit! Yet stoics don't believe in dousing and water bewitching ... even when you get into that loch, or pool of allegories about the naked L' ass 've Psyche and the parts that make Ur up ... WORD(s)! Can they be gathered as mistakable thoughts? That'd be a dark area beyond the bible in some mortal limited construct that ignores books like John and its last words ... real people tend to be this way very choosey about what they read or hear ... and thus they don't get the (w)hole thing ... that John describes as a space beyond the earth ... sort of un-earthy or extraterrestial!
Some fiction about scientific and unknown quiery is like this ... especially when one questions the huge human psyche that is mostly composed of passion on demand of the czars or Caesars (dependant on how the metaphor is pelt). Some things in the realm of small composed minds in dots an quick runs (dashes) are like Moor's Code ... real people are too emotional to understand alien things ... that the confined are not to speak of and thus the word ineffable! You can see how thoughts explode and and recess ... implode? Its a small thing that might bug you if your emotional state won't allow you to ignore it ... and thus the Shadow approaches a' pit o'my giggles ... that might be spelt as epit-hommoe, eþ-iphamy. Then like X-maas ... ordinary people don't know how the pagans and heathen out on the Moor, didn't know how this started either ... except by a passing emotional springing forth of light after a period undercover of hos nows. Only the chaos of word has the answer, so help me go, and you know how mortals feel about great splashes of word! They are afraid of getting mired in this chit ... so they never really ghet into IÐ ... sort of like a guina hen looking over a flock as Ur own but a guina hen is no chicken!
Metaphorically IÐ is transmuteable like the concept of the centre of gravidy of a hollow Canan Ba'aL ... that non-space that can deck you if you don't believe in nothing like love ... whereas your're left devoid of intelligence! It is a negative emotion that one should understand from the pits of consuming a large burr-IÐ & earnest at Christmas time ... an imaginary light that's dark ... only explicit to those that have had their lights punched out by a wee lass ... and chi didn't give a damn about how you were roasted in the incident ...
As they say you never see IT until gone ... goan as pure allegory? Skakespeare understood it as Einstein understood alchemy as relative ... yet the poles cannot relate in church ... they are too far separated ... which is abba'd in Hebrew ... once pelt as A'B'D in Classic Dimensions of lost thought ... and thus emotions and thought were separated and isolated in polity! Some would call that schitz OID ... it is til isolated until gathered up ... ecclesiastic-allé (about that which travels, a huge Job that goes on and on)!
Any body hear CBC Radio News this morning on new approaches to brain disorders, plastic psyches and observation of disorders from outside the box of corporeal thinking ... loosely labeled OBI? It is a thought process beyond what the powers (judy'n) presently desire. You can almost taste the death wish in IT as: "If you don't do it in a broad way" ... the whole thing will collapse from PTSD as dis Lexi'a ... the peculiar state of those seeing things the other' sway ... thus the whole thing is screwed by it's elf the daemon within as hearts without a Q'loo! You darsen't say this intelligently as intellect is defined as out of here ... a sort of Mrs Placed Myth of a Broad Psyched critter ... anna Muse mint of spiritual aroma like ewe in da' pew? Thems usually sheepish but often contaminated with un-common quiery ... unrequieted passions from which we often hear a whine or squeel as the weal turns ...!