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Scary Con "Justice" Bill

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/05/20/fingerprints-crime.html

 

From the story, the law does three things:

 

1) allow police to fingerprint and photograph someone before they are charged with an offense

2) make it illegal to escape prosecution by skipping across Provincial lines

3) allow police to obtain warrants 24 hours a day.

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#2 - Good idea.  Shoulda been done a long time ago.

#3 - as long as the same process is followed, and warrants aren't made easier to get, I have no problem with making the process more open in terms of timelines.  That's all that's being suggested, just that the timelines are easier.  So OK.

 

#1 - WTF????  People will be allowed to request that the prints and pics be destroyed, but who in their right mind thinks that they actually will be?  Plus, let's put ourselves in that situation, shall we?  I've been suspected of something I haven't done, but because I was a suspect, I've been hauled down to the police station, been put through the humiliation of having a convict picture taken, and my prints taken, and then 6 months, or a year, or more later once the police finally charge someone else, I'm supposed to go back to those same people and ask them nicely to do me a favour?

 

This is an insane invasion of privacy, and I really hope it won't be allowed to stand.

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  this law & this image of policing is based on fear & intimidation & control.  Doesn't sound so Canadian to me.  I know people wrongly accused, grabbed from normal life and tossed upside down.  The climb out of that hole is lousy at the best of times.

I understand the desire to record info about scary people.  I get that.  We hear about slippery folk who manage to pull one over on the helpless cops who did their best.  I get that completely, but there must be some different specification for the law to work better than just getting everyone.

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If I understand this "Day said that would allow a faster charge process,"; privacy is being sacrificed for office efficiency?

 

Heck, let's make it even more efficient and grab a DNA sample from newborns.

 

Of course, as anyone who has ever had to manage data storage will tell you, the more files you have the harder it is to find something.

 

Yet another "efficient" idea that will cost more money and effort than it will gain brought to you by the Fiscally Irresponsible Red Tape Brigade.

 

 

LB


Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds.     John Perry Barlow

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More police powers moves us closer to being a police state. 

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More police powers moves us closer to being a police state. 

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It helps when they play the "get a confession" game with people by saying they have evidence and you better tell them what they want to hear...

 

You know, "those people" nobody seems to care about when they write laws and determine how things should be.... the young, the elderly, the vulnerable, the addicted, the poor with no money for a defense, the mentally challenged.... those who confess when they hear "we have evidence and you better tell us" even though they are innocent. Those forced/coerced false confessions will be much easier, "hey, we have ya dead to right,  you are in the database"

 

People like Johnny Lee Wilson, Barry Laughman, Leonard Barco, Michael Crowe, Gabriel Baddely, Simon Marshall( his Canadian copnfession led to the MarshallCommission being created), Eunice Baker, Jeffery Mark Descovick, Victoria Banks, Timothy Brown, Michael Gayles, Robert Paccagnella....

 

 

 

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Through the mad mystic hammering of the wild ripping hail
The sky cracked its poems in naked wonder
That the clinging of the church bells blew far into the breeze
Leaving only bells of lightning and its thunder
Striking for the gentle, striking for the kind
Striking for the guardians and protectors of the mind
An the unpawned painter behind beyond his rightful time
An we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.

Through the wild cathedral evening the rain unraveled tales
For the disrobed faceless forms of no position
Tolling for the tongues with no place to bring their thoughts
All down in taken-for-granted situations
Tolling for the deaf an blind, tolling for the mute
Tolling for the mistreated, mateless mother, the mistitled prostitute
For the misdemeanor outlaw, chased an cheated by pursuit
An we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.

Even though a clouds white curtain in a far-off corner flashed
An the hypnotic splattered mist was slowly lifting
Electric light still struck like arrows, fired but for the ones
Condemned to drift or else be kept from drifting
Tolling for the searching ones, on their speechless, seeking trail
For the lonesome-hearted lovers with too personal a tale
An for each unharmful, gentle soul misplaced inside a jail
An we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.

Starry-eyed an laughing as I recall when we were caught
Trapped by no track of hours for they hanged suspended
As we listened one last time an we watched with one last look
Spellbound an swallowed til the tolling ended
Tolling for the aching ones whose wounds cannot be nursed
For the countless confused, accused, misused, strung-out ones an worse
An for every hung-up person in the whole wide universe
An we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.  - Bob Dylan _

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Combined with the full body strip scanners coming into airports, this is truly frightening. But, of course, doncha know, if you haven't done anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about.

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Yes the Neo Cons keep saying that don't they mother of five. The Fascists in Europe and the Nazis also promised a brave new world, the problem is that the cons fall into two categories on this file a) they know full well that this is the path it will take and they like it b) they are so ignorant of history that they don't see the path we are on.

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When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.

Martin Niemöller was a German pastor and theologian born in Lippstadt, Germany, in 1892

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As if they would actually get around to destoying your fingerprints and photo.  That's all going to end up in the "Low Priority" drawer/cabinet somewhere that someone will open maybe once a year and say "yep, there's some stuff in it" and then close it again.

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