Hi Linds:

 

The most basic definition of God is as the creative power or force of the universe. Hardly anyone, not even atheists, would deny that such a power exists, but most people who acknowledge the existence of a creative force believe it to be an integral part of the universe. The universe, then, would be self-creative or self-godly. This, in my view, is unitheism, and I am a unitheist.

 

 Unitheism is as old as Christianity. The author of the recently published Gospel of Judas, which was originally written in the third of fourth century, already talks about God as "The Great Self Generative Spirit" who created the universe by and out of itself.

 

Another definition of God is that of a separate supernatural ghost that was able to somehow think in terms of human concepts before it created the universe. This is quite a stretch of the imagination, not to speak of logic. I can't imagine anyone believing in such a God any more, except, perhaps, as a metaphor.

 

Those who think that the separate supernatural God is the only possible definition of God might say, "everything being God is the same as no God," and regard us unitheists as atheists. Well, this is fine with me. Then I'm a spiritual atheist.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that there is a semantic issue here (I think that's what your post boils down to, Lindsay). My basic problem is that if I say that I believe in "God" many people, both believer and unbeliever, default that to meaning I believe in a supernatural Creator who created the universe, predestines people for Heaven or Hell, etc. I do not believe in this God and I do not like having to explain every time I say that I believe in God that for me God is x and not y.  And even when I do explain what I mean, those who hold to the supernatural Creator generally go "Well, you're wrong. That's not God." So, while by some defintions of "God" I may well believe in God, I find myself wrestling with that word and trying on other ones that may trip off my tongue more easily.

 

Mendalla

 

I would prefer to imagine an intelligence that existed before the current material universe, an "intelligence'' that transcends my capacity to imagine.

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Hi Mendalla Old Buddy,

 

When you say you believe in anything what you are really saying is that you don't know for sure.  This is because belief disappears in light of knowledge.  If you believe in something this means that the light of knowledge has not yet shone upon you.

 

Ask yourself this:  Would you rather just believe God exists or know that he exists?

 

Strive for knowing but keep in mind that belief and faith are useful in that they can carry you through those times when you don't know.

 

There is a way to know.  It consists of quieting the mind, meditation if you like.  See my post "The Garden" for additional information.

 

Your Buddy on the Path - Poguru

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MENDALLA: This is why, when I write as me,  I no longer use the noun, God --unless I am quoting someone who does. For me, "God" is just as much of an idol as gods.

 

BTW, this is why Orthodox Jews write the divine name G-d. This avoids any kind of anthropomorphisms for them. I find this a good idea.

 

GÕD~Tilde(~) is that which guides us to

that which is Good Opportune &

Desirable.  The tilde ~ is the first key on

the 'puter just before the 1. It is a very

useful symbol in higher maths and in

literature and art.

INRI the Latin inscription above pictures of Jesus on the cross is a ~  same as a title.

 

That which Generates Order and

Direction. See if you can think of other

uses of G, O, D.

 

Then we can invite positive atheist to join

us. And we can challenge the negative

ones to have a go.

 

Of course, The opposite of

GÕD   

could be that which is Gruesome, Odious & Diabolic, any evil that we

do, whatever!  

 

www.unitheist.org

www.lindsayking.ca

 

 

Can any god become gruesome and diabolic if left without thought?

 

Then many will tell us the "WORD" says don't think ... stay away from the tree of knowledge or you'll become something else again ... omiga'd ...

 

Should one try and be divine, or split between emotions and intellect ... a mire medium in the sight of certain types of gods?

 

Some don't believe I've been told not to think by educated people ... perhaps they've never allowed themselves out there!

 

Is that like Celestial Wisdom; Arm? Going out for the sheer stretch of it ... so those that don't wish to .. won't see it ... that which is subliminal as satyr ... and yet the Shadow knows ... as mere Semite expression related to Semantics (leading words) and todays overall sense of anti - Semitisms ...

 

Do they know the land where such thought pas'd thro' ... and how the blanched version of wisdom raped that land ... white sky syndrome? Gives place for renude tales  ... emotional attachments of the alternate tensor! The crowd under the tre' giggles ...  hammadryads? Something to invetigate but don't get caught like Judah by tammyr ... a timeless beastij ... can alter anything ... like nothing ...

Is that hypo, or hyper-thesis ... one being subliminal to the overhead gang that is tough to support as they don't know limits to desires? Is that Ayrian or what ...

WB, you ask, "Can any god become gruesome and diabolic if left without thought?" Since the "free-will bill" was passed, (yes). Therefore, (enlightened) I take it for granted that knowledge (science) and power especially willpower, of themselves, are neutral. What is to be, is up to "we"; and I agree to pay the fee! So what about "ye"?

 

THE FOLLOWING IS ABOUT WHAT I FREELY CHOOSE TO BELIEVE, TO KNOW AND DO, AND NOT DO, WITH MY LIFE, NOW.

 

I GIVE OTHERS THE SAME FREEDOM I CLAIM. ALWAYS, THERE IS THE RIGHT FOR ONE TO CHANGE ONES MIND.

 

Of my own free-will and accord, as of now, I will and choose to be at one with GÕD--not a physical entity. It is a title I use to stand for the Christ-like source of all Good, Order and Direction (agape-love). I believe that, where two or more are gathered together in loving service to the total human community, in Spirit we can be the embodiment of GÕD.

 

Meanwhile,  read what Jesus  says about this,  in John 10: 34-39 and in John 17: 20-26--the, "that all may be one" passage. I call it the call to unitheism passage.

 

ABOUT EVIL AND SIN--all bring pain, suffering and death, to us.

 

SINS OF COMMISSION (trespasses against others)

SINS OF OMISSION (failure to do the good we know we ought for for others)--

 

Willpower, and the freedom to use it, is an awesome and AWE-ful power. Because we have free will, we are all free to choose do evil, to use our willpower, and become false gods--creations of the ego. As such, we become experts in using science and art in a gruesome, odious and destructive way.

 

THE EARLY HUMANISTS. This leads us to explore the writings of the early humanists. They were interested in writings about human values. They were the first organizers of schools of learning and what we today call universities. There, young men--no mention of women--were given the wisdom needed to have successful careers.

 

HEBREW WISDOM LITERATURE

To add to the confusion, the Bible contradicts itself. The command given by the Lord Yahweh, in Genesis 2:15-17, is totally ignored by the humanists--the authors of PSALMS and PROVERBS. In them knowledge, understanding and wisdom are praised.

 

See 1 Kings 4: 29-34--about the SUPREME wisdom of Solomon. Also, check out Proverbs 1: 7-19. In my opinion, a number of proverbs do not make a lot of sense.

 

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THE LAST WORD TO YOU, WB:

"Then many will tell us the "WORD" says "don't think ... stay away from the tree of knowledge or you'll become something else again" ... omiga'd ..." WB

 

 

 

I think I've Ego'd that before and the gods raged ...!

 

 

I guess I'm not well behaved to the gods ... isn't that the devil of a thing to say in a language of coverup ... this attire (fabric) that we work with?

 

Is Venus a grand Icon of a bare soul that's beautiful ... very broad-based wisdom for the archetype industry ... quick copy. Then they are being made so fast now they can't stop and think ... no whòr' toem ... neitherlands ... dimensions just outa here ... well-tho't, or just profound? I believe in the subliminal ... all that I don't yet Gnoe ... but I wouldn't dare say that straight out ... the absolutes would get me! They find me too dark, or abstract.

 

Now after yestersday am I still here as human, or poemk'n (Great Pumpkin?) ... or would I have the capacity to know the difference in dark poetics, or a ridiculous thought? Now what did that broad-based couple eat that made her swell up like a large vegetable, and get that glow between red and yellow ... the psychic phenomena of emotions ... sometimes totally blows the mind ... so you operate on a differenet dimension ... why they say we've been jacked since the beginning ... sort of hoodwinked into believing what's in there is out there and thus the theory of plastic brains and other reverse psychological movement ... no chits as in the case of the Bush election ... sometimes called chad ... a fish creature ... sometimes wary but not really smart until pickled ... good sort of amino acids ... food for the mind?

 

 merei Xs-Maas Linds ... everyone should suffer a soft spot when pas'n thro' this hard thing called life ... unless you have a mind to think your way through the challenge of the tree enigma. Don't knock ID, or do ... eYore choice .. and the Don Key pined ... harsar, or haw Sar, creature with a funny head that they tye botes too in Nfld and elsewhere's ... you hope they don't move while attached toem! Word's (whirs) phun eigh like that ...

 

Some just don't go there; don't believe there's any question to anything (all's absolute) as contrary to that verse in Thessalonians that I often reference, but if you don't believe in something would it bug yah? Something like a feed of those odd little sea birds off Nfld that seldom come ashore .. murrs, terres, or just oilei terrors to shoot as if they were illegal somewhere ... like terrorism of the gods! That'll get you poached ... or otherwise in hot-water for poaching those wee things ... but Gabriel calls  ... a near balck burr'd phenomena ... one must eat!

 

Then, it depends if that ideal-ism is general love (self-centred?) ... justice, mercy or humility ... if I thought I was a god I'D be out of here instead of a disturbance to absolutes ... don't consume the (w)hole thing ... many can't see that as they amass billions ... creating another enigma ... "what do they do with all that"? Doesn't make sense to me ... eue!

 

Is that a devil-of-a-thing to say here? Omi! Then omi means all, or all-that-is fullfilling that tho'T of gods that may go on and on as a myth as people like myths and say they are not true ... like satyr that's basically absent like light sometimes when it is black ... and does the bible deal with black and white and 50 shades inbetween (po'N?) a large grey area as peculiar abstract? Not yet onyx'd ... connected ... nailed down ... yet, Lord Rutherford made those observations on the peculiarity of the science of light (metaphor of Christ as IC ID)!

 

May your tree remain chimerii over the break ... sort of like rapture to the emotions ... when people try to slow down a bit like Hebrews escaping to the wilderness swamps and what some non-thinkers would refer to a book, tome, or other covenented volume ... where a massless, volumeless mind could find hommoe, a form of residence that is peculair to the alien non-thinker. Is that Complex, or irrational enough to thro' off the simple types in 27 varieties ... that once was 23 ... like the Nos. impressed on Isaiah .. ten' short of 66 books as a condensation of the wholly myth ... puts some to sleep ... as they count ... on something they shouldn't without adequate input to all that's out there and less than perfect ... by just enough to create a dark gammos!

 

And we all sing Silent Night, Holy Night and the expressed icons could alter ...

 

In the background someone screams maw ... "its deep out there" !

 

Of course I ponder metphysically, so people wouldn't understand what I said and thus I couldn't be accused of thinking ... a regressive Jinn? That is like retreating spirit (Judges 4:15?) only seen when go'n ... murrs like that two many missing understandings due to altered spelling ... like mire, the dirt of creation is not that pure, requires some fecundity ... as one minister called me full of BS ... a type of Taurus? A real RIPP'r? that' pêdrè in old Celt ... hoo'dah thunk IT without understanding a lot of word from allover ... that's "aL" in Hebrew, that could be that initial spark ... wherever you find it!

WB you say

I think I've Ego'd that before and the gods raged ...!

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I ask the meaning of the following comments:

1.  "the gods". Who, for you, are they?

 

 2.  "I guess I'm not well behaved to the gods ... isn't that the devil of a thing to say in a language of coverup ...?"

 

3.    "or just profound? I believe in the subliminal ... ... but I wouldn't dare say that straight out ... the absolutes would get me! They find me too dark, or abstract."

 

4.    "Now after yestersday am I still here as human ..... the psychic phenomena of emotions ... sometimes totally blows the mind ..."

 

5.    "so you [Who?]operate on a differenet dimension ... the theory of plastic brains and other reverse psychological movement ...

 

6.    "no chits as in the case of the Bush election ... sometimes called chad ...  sometimes wary but not really smart until pickled ... good sort of amino acids ... food for the mind?" [ I think you are recalling [Are You?] that Gore failed to become the President of the USA, because of the flaw in the technology which caused the "hanging chads" problem. ]

 

 merei Xs-Maas Linds[ay] ... THANKS! WB, where and how do you spend Christmas?

 

7.    "everyone should suffer a soft spot when pas'n thro' this hard thing called life ..."

 

8     "Some just don't go there; don't believe there's any question to anything (all's absolute) "

 

9.    "that verse in Thessalonians that I often reference" What verse?

 

 

10,   " if I thought I was a god I'D be out of here instead of a disturbance to absolutes [?] ...

don't consume the (w)hole thing ... many can't see that as they amass billions ... creating

another enigma ... "what do they do with all that"? Doesn't make sense to me ...

eue!.....Is that a devil-of-a-thing to say here? Omi! Then omi means all, or all-that-is

fullfilling........May your tree remain chimerii over the break .....................................a

dark gammos! [?]... a regressive Jinn [?]

That is like retreating spirit (Judges 4:15?)  Which reads:

 

When Barak [meaning a flash of lightning]  attacked with his army, the Lord threw into confusion Sisera [the last chief of the Canaanites in North Israel] with all his chariots and men]... Not one was left.

 

that's  "aL" in Hebrew, that could be that initial spark ... wherever you find it!

 

And the fluid ripples and the mother land smokes ... chi had wished to be whetted ... brings on Greensleeves ...

 

More later Rev. King ... I'll respond to the questions!

 

O' that's I Thessalonians 5:21 ... there about's on questions to the gods ... all that is in collective ... no contempt! At one time the primitive were determined that gods were in all things ... mortal gods changed that with god-fear ... what we now call allal ... a transmutational error that should have included reverence and respect for "all" things ... that would be ominous to mortal gods ... lets pas on that ...

 

I had the honour of serving Dr. James Dobbson's family breakfast for near a week in a small inn off a small island in the east. He had just retired from his church charge and said that his last sermon was on the topic of why congregations of people do not question authority more thoroughly. Sometimes you can get answers ... sometimes the authority does not know  but will not admit to mortal flaws ...

 

Should that be a shame, or something to drive a person to thought?

 

I repeat ... more later!

Some indeterminates for Rev. Lynds ...

 

Potential Answers to What I Don’t Know…

WB you say

I think I've Ego'd that before and the gods raged ...!

Is Ego the German form of Echo, a profound reflection … it is said the gods hated thoughts … making man an unnatural potential! I doubt such things as lack of thought, they be bald emotions that can get you into a maas dissonance (once known as Eris).

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I ask the meaning of the following comments:

1. "the gods". Who, for you, are they?

Gods portions are everywhere as a well-splintered, sharing groupei. Many individuals shun such activity! Won’t even share thoughts truthfull as to gain an upper hand; in the case of Jacob, it was low dealing … and the child of myth was born!

2. "I guess I'm not well behaved to the gods ... isn't that the devil of a thing to say in a language of coverup ...?"

Gods appear to be irreconcilable characters as I cannot see role of: love, justice, mercy and humility into a mortal form of such a fantasy character. They would be like divine, or dualistic icons (deists?) that would have to flip-flop to serve such standards. That is, if love is self-centred they way many of the powerful types express this. Sort of turns a person like me off when they demand stupidity of the hoyden (old word for common folk like paegaen). And who suppresses this potential intellect?  Wee gods?

3. "or just profound? I believe in the subliminal ... ... but I wouldn't dare say that straight out ... the absolutes would get me! They find me too dark, or abstract."

Such is the pool to draw from, as the fluid or modern, plastic brain; a choqan thing like Barak in your example or the storm god of Babylon? Did you know the consequence of choqan in Hebrew? Can you picture Loch ness and the subliminal stir of the monster? A mire neigh essence … I’d question that too! The we have leaders asking followers to brain-storm and not think … an irreconcilable contradiction in word? The produce of clear Taurus … pure bullies a soul a great beef! Where is it? Look about in this environment, you don’t have to go too far.

4. "Now after yestersday am I still here as human ..... the psychic phenomena of emotions ... sometimes totally blows the mind ..."

Yesterday the powers threw terror on the non-thinking that the world was to end because of time coming to a halt. Same thing happened with Y2K, I served breakfast to one of the earlier developers of the computer code that said it would have taken some of those old folk a few minites to alter the code and increase the 8-bit code to accept a continuing calander. This time we really didn’t have to care about it … but it slipped someones thoughts about how many billions the power made on sucking people into that hoax … a type of virulent myth!

My wife said as we woke this morning: “did we turn into pumpkins over night?” My response if we were pumpkins … how would we know under the rule of non-thinking existence? Do departed great pumpkins leave cede? Why all those big ladies in the expectant stores? Did they consume something unentended? Gotta love the humour in a plugged second of lack of thought … a gift? We’re beyond that … old folks of myth?

5. "so you [Who?]operate on a differenet dimension ... the theory of plastic brains and other reverse psychological movement ...

I’ve come to the conclusion I cannot resist thinking (a curse or a blessing) something laid on me that my mother never wished me to have … she tried to beat it out of me. In a psychological profile I should have become a paranoid sociopath except for the curse of curiosity, I ask the gods why … became pregnant with an answer … almost like a verge’n conception … mire thought?

My associates tell me I’m crazy, out of here, a liar and such … so I must be out of here. That’d be another dimension right! Old tongues called it mêmè, a Galicism  od sorts meanin same. Or common space … possily the unconscious,shared portion of the elusive mind? That’d be dark to those that believe only in flaming emotions … the somnolent wanderer that we encounter in our sleep? Gotta make a person question and process … alas, many don’t. Do you suppose we’ve been put here by creation to se which ones would work if exposed to a different energy … there’s a stray thought. However I couldn’t know these things as associates tell me I’m out of it … lot of that about churches demanding blind obediance in conflict with the command to teach my children … what is my question. Do you have to teach ignorance or is that natural like love that’ll drive thoughts away. Does this cause two standards like a thinking god-ism (redundance) that would be the devil to those that believe in absence of thought … sort of a rapturous state?

6.        "no chits as in the case of the Bush election ... sometimes called chad ... sometimes wary but not really smart until pickled ... good sort of amino acids ... food for the mind?" [ I think you are recalling [Are You?] that Gore failed to become the President of the USA, because of the flaw in the technology which caused the "hanging chads" problem. ]

Some would call that a sic, or approximate truth as the political powers would admit to such chit in phonetic terms. Would they? They they found themselves into the World Trade Pickle … caused by subliminal interference going on out of sight of the public eye. Does anyone allow that one particular plane was flying that day over in the Persian area with the senior Bush aboard? Kitty Kelly covered that in the Bush Dynasty, for people that do not believe in western tyranny. It si probably just a lie in the public mind … a general paradigm accepted by those that this is the norm. Could this be why we see little truth today? Brings my soul to a sense of waste … it all has to be some kind of joke and who would perpetuate such a thing? The myth goes on … like the soul of God that St Niche stated didn’t exist. Can you destroy something that isn’t in thei dimension and is primarily imaginary … the integral mind that is … out in common space … beyond man. Then, if myth is a metaphor for beyond; go figUre! We must be the productof the imagiantion of greater powers … and reallya rn’t. Why I like to do the etude on things that aren’t … but they all have open ends in the precession …

 

 merei Xs-Maas Linds[ay] ... THANKS! WB, where and how do you spend Christmas?

A bit of whine with a turkey that’s pas’d, and reflecting that someday I’ll support some animal hunger. Is that odd or just a cyclic truth for all things physical? Then one has to question the metaphysical like the electric, light powers and people that seem to cross that immortal line temporarily and return, pis’d at the doctors that pulled in the trawl. The ithchii to get out was returned after a taste of what’s beyond. It appears to alter peoples lives … much like a fall from a horse. Consdier Pall’ve Rome and that Troy Hoers … really a broad based psyche about how to get around the defences of the emotional. Creates all kinds of Celestial sparks! The many don’t believe inpsyche … too much like functioning soul … and we couldn’t have that, could we?

Christmas is slowing down fro us … a lot of the associates have wandered off; mortally or immortally I’m not sure. We stay at home due to limitations … but would like to spend it with our children that have other obligations … as the population of we daemons continues like the plague … but at a modulated rate … they know beta! Isn’t that a sin to the gods of business that would like the population to explode … that’s the market, eh bye … there has to be a slaughter coming. This is denyed but what the fear over weapons of mass destuction … if technology is to save us? Perhaps it is warped technology leaning towards war instead of Utilitarian Philosophy … good for all. Would some of the gods parts like that? Yet it could cause a rift if not well-thought out as pits …subliminal persective!

7.    "everyone should suffer a soft spot when pas'n thro' this hard thing called life ..."

A pain in the butte (as is) could get a soul started to thinking couldn’t it? Those of us on the lower tiers seem to have a beta shot at the as is above … but if you didn’t think about it would it just blow by as a ruagh wind? Now that’s chock’n creating choqan … a deeper darker thing that non-thinkers can’t retrieve, something to draw upon as druID! Leaves one to think of the purpose of life is a pain for most … a Job to pas … with a chuckle over the mass stupidity of it … where mass is generally received as a flow of unconceivable word … like the fað-Eire’s of the early church requested … general unknowing, so they wouldn’t be embarassed about thr paegaens reading what the bishops couldn’t. Did you know many of the old church needed clerics because the officers were illiterate?

8     "Some just don't go there; don't believe there's any question to anything (all's absolute) "

Absolute; what the church and the book says. Show me a person that fully trusts a lawyer! I’d question that absolute … especially if it ends up as your judge! Did Jesus comment on such persona?

9.    "that verse in Thessalonians that I often reference" What verse?

Question all things without contempt as if God was pure love at that time of creation … there wasn’t a clue, or Q’lew to be found and the whole thing was left afloat in a maternal Zea … Marie?

10,  " if I thought I was a god I'D be out of here instead of a disturbance to absolutes [?] ...

don't consume the (w)hole thing ... many can't see that as they amass billions ... creating

another enigma ... "what do they do with all that"? Doesn't make sense to me ...

eue!.....Is that a devil-of-a-thing to say here? Omi! Then omi means all, or all-that-is

fullfilling........May your tree remain chimerii over the break .....................................a

dark gammos! [?]... a regressive Jinn [?]

That is like retreating spirit (Judges 4:15?)  Which reads: “Has not the Lord gone ahead of you?” This should have been 14 not 15 … a shocking error?

You did recall that chimerii is Hebrew Gold? And the mind RIPels in de Light of get’n some brae’n fude … those fishy icons on the page … few can read em in great depth!

When Barak [meaning a flash of lightning] attacked with his army, the Lord threw into confusion Sisera [the last chief of the Canaanites in North Israel] with all his chariots and men]... Not one was left.

Your additional syntax is just as profound … yet some find it superficial in English, a mongrel tongue, even to Brits that have studied many tongues. The King (James) would a been Hames, or just a ham in an earlier time as representative of God (ham bean dark in Hebrew) … But in that time, place and light of situation did the common folk think any beter than now .. we still appear to prize stupidity in the lower tiers … thus waters flow with some implications regarding the displacement of old salts! Did you know that such soaring Ions could be mental sparks in the synaptic gaps … creating a function that the gods wouldn’t like as sympathetic and para-sympathetic actions of neural tissue that approaches depth of thought. But you wouldn’t dare state that when in company of the emotional … could se tem off … there would be nothing remaining but a roasted bottom! The Isis melt …

that's "aL" in Hebrew, that could be that initial spark ... wherever you find it!

 

 

If gods are ideal-isms found well dispersed ... could some be profoundly wrong in in the Utilitarian sense of a greater good?

 

Could that be a negative thought ... or just dark to the pyres of flaming ideals?

 

Then could the destruction of knowledge and wisdom, set the witches into a torch on the other side ... like a light at the end of the weird tunnel, in we seem to be enslaved?

 

Ever notice the preponderance of dunkings in undergroud pools in the mythical stories ? But generally not enought to whet the curiosity oppressed by fear, hate, terrorism and false justice! Ain't that a bo-bo ... where bo is anarchy, or chaos in Hebrew. Must be too kinds, one of intellect and one for emotions in the purer states and those on both side avoid the medium ... a carrier of tho'T? How would we ever know without the alternate process ...? Follows the desire some would infer ... like mental inducement of balance? Then the other god would call you home ... psyche incognito as Gabriel ... the Shadow of soul?

 

Where else would chi get the production to raise a thought?

I've always wondered about such chit ... you know wee stuff ... ferments like a stinking mind ... starts without a thought ... like the gonad doctors call the brain; 5:1 rule 80% water, 20% percent pure cholesterol ... creating nucleic acids that behave like fluid transisters.

Could this be a mire consequence of dirty quantum mechanics? Occurs on minute scales that you could call humble ... and the container is inverse like omega ... upset, Jared? Hoo could that charge be hung upon ... as an awkward Luce tho'T?

 

Affects young people they say ... with vast implications due to the silence ..

 

And Lynds we go to church on Chrismas Eve to worship the dark ... Silent and Holy Night ... one big void? Is that rapturous or just draining to observe the dipper up there ... looking for a head? Then none done here tends to care for that function ...

 

Gotta wonder about that inverse space thing, inner dimensions? Gotta love a good myth about fantastic measures ... like out-of-here thought patterns ... Celestial field theory?

Good analogy, WB! Yes, Ego is Echo. It is our own voice echoing back at us when we shout at the universe and mistake our own echo for God's voice.

 

In order to hear Gods voice and fulfil God's will, we must not only still our own voice but our own thoughts. God's voice is so very quiet that we can't hear it when we are thinking.

 

Then, after we've heard God's voice, we can, and should, think about and along God's lines. 

 

One more thing. Because every one of us is a unique form of God, God has a unqiue line for every one of us. Someone else's line can't be ours. Imitating other peoples' lines is not the thing to do. Everyone must find their own unique line to and from God.

 

 

 

 

Imagine Arm ... al those strings ... makes for an awsome cord to run through a chine ... thats like a pully that alters diection of force ... like when love comes back at cha for lack of thought!

 

God's wee parts giggle ... like a Hebrew chimerii thing ... golden pool? It was said that its all bout us ... the invention of chaos to amuse the bored ... so of us don't find all-that-is dull ... to much to it to learn at once ... sometimes the thinking part needs catharsis ... and the celestial cat was endow'd ... Chi Shiyr? Silly das dah moon in pieces ... everybody desires a bit of the edge ... stirs the plasma ... and chi goes on ... 

 

Vorm'n holes in space? there's more to that than meets the "i" on the odd side out!

 

H'ell learn ...

Yes, all of those silver strings vibrating in harmony. Music of the Spheres, eh?

 

The heavenly harpist,

Passionately plucking,

The silver strings of life.

 

He is playing your song,

And you, the divine dancer,

Are required to dance.

 

 

 

 

Sad, then, that you are incapable of carrying out your preference.  I mean, if it's not within your capacity to imagine, then you aren't able to imagine it.  So why bother?  Unless you prefer to imagine something else, that is...

Brain: Incoming!

Prefrontal: Good! Something to ponder...

Amydgula: Wait till I say it's ok and making sure it doesn'y piss me off.

Hippocampus: Just look around!

Brain: (sigh) Why can't these guys get along....

 

 

 

"transcends my capacity to imagine." --- J Kenney!

 

Is that sort of abstract, like a small piece of something that's larger than a mortal can imagine? Odd thing no matter how you look at it the normal thinks the ab-normal is odd and the other side is the same ... but perhaps reciprocative and we're back where we began ... eternal chaos ... cosmological anarchy to dance about, or is that within?

 

Some populations are never satisfied with nothing to worry over ... or all there is to worry about ... if you happen to believe you have all-that-is in hand ... yaw'n in the expanse of çi ... dog tired the authority went to sleep and allowed eM to take over. God help us when heh awakes ... in tiers ... if you're out there ... probably think what's down here is odd, eve'n phunei!

 

Then the question will be posed: "Who assisted in this non-Utilitarian debacle?" Dab a' Clé ... is that like mire or dirt, sort of the spirit of the land as reflected in Cle O'Pa*tras debacle ... passed over by an adder. This is adding up as the cosmological accountant would say Matthew'n out of stone ... such difficult connections ... like earth, Eire, pyre and wadii ... a convenient penne in which to express ... so the emotionally distraught won't know ... a grand's attire ... like Illyad! The drag of a hadij?

 

Then in some transmutations the "Y"="H" generally near silent except that odd purr (rum*ble) from below, once the difficult stage was pas'd ... an you beguine to see intuit, without the first "t" it is just inuit, a kohl aboriginal conception ... cold primal folk that you can warm to? Some penetrations can be brutal so it is wise to know who you bring in from the cold ... a message learned from yegodds ... Euro Peon Goths? Now there's an attitude pas't on to the west as the sun goeth ...  the wind of van de val' in another myth ...

 

If we could just put eM all together would we be less fractured ... a mire sliver of our former's elf as thin m'n on tho'T? A comparative belief system, or odd religious etude that we could question ... curiosity that has been reduced to myth ... something that nearly isn't?

If they understand that I'm in trouble fixations will tumble ... like institutions of the hard cast temple of wee bits ... small chits in the 'olei thing? Fecundity of thought ... it'll pass if your stuck on it ... often expressed in terms of idealisms or gods departing ... thought descends ... or rises depending on your odd dimensions!

 

And like on Xi Maas Eve ... up the chimanii heh arose as a sweeper ... for an instant there was nothing only the sole laid fleyed out ... like a bouncer on the bairn door as they say down under ... how's the chew'n gomme ... on the bed post? A'B'D is a whole differen tconception in Hebrew'n linguistics .. but hoo'd know when strange tongues are oppressed? You wouldn't believe the unknown stories found there ... like real ancient lights glow'n in the dark ... as the Shadow knows ...

 

You have named the problem.  It takes many conversations to arrive at the idea of say panentheism.  But some times it is best to not use the word god. I usually just say I am a panentheist when theism comes up.  For like you I find many of words to describe a really just don't do the job. 

 

As some of suggested silence is best.  The defualt position is so strong among some atherists and some believers it is tiresome to talk about God.

 

Unfortunately, this appears to be so. Anti-theistic absolutism seems to run as deep as pro-theistic absolutism, which makes philosophical discussion about God difficult.

 

Eckhart Tolle, for instance, does not personally mind the concept and term "God," but refrains from using it because it is so loaded and provokes such strong reactions from both pro-theists and anti-theists.

Leads to god damn ... and the facing of the mother of god ... and "chi" (E, or X) who worked with thoughts ... before they too were lost or oppressed ... leadership or exegesis without etude ... the sealed portion ... hermenetically so ... in the pool so to speak and thus the lady of Ness!

 

Is that a metaphorically sublime state in which the aD-vocate rests? There is a myth about the long sleeping soul ... time for the collective to wake! Was that Marx or Hegel? Eventually one has to gather their thing/ks ... thus the past as thunk!

 

Presence power can't get over it ... why there are few modern day prophets above ground ... guerrilla's? Monkey business abounds, in church, business, and state fuctions ... they'd even foul the golden rule ...

And what kind of a world is it where you can't talk of god?

 

One of my get-around ways to talk of deity outside of the boxes is by spelling It Godde.

 

It's short for Goddessence, which is all female, all male, all everything, and then a magical little bit. The way a lovingly prepared Gift is more than the sum of its parts.

 

It gets people talking, anyway. I find the anti-theists are quite definite about precisely in which God they don't believe. It certainly is never a female one...

 

I heard Tomson Highway speak a few years ago, and he said that one of the first observations First Nations people made of the Christian God was "What Has Mr. God Done with Mrs. God?"

God Bless yah BettetheRed ... I can almost imagine you swirling in a red fabric ...

 

Merry Christmas to yah Tue ... from a student of a Story Sharp as a Knife ... understanding haida gwae .. transmutated from Greek, you could extract a hidden Light in aboriginal spirit ... the ancients know Beta'n some people think ...

 

One must make connections or float off ...

 

And the bare thing could give birth to a thought, enemy of modern Christianity, oppresses the soul! Leaves the raven taking off with ITt ... and we all know what's said of the Shadow ... the shallow don't get far enough intuit ... the Dan's !

WB

 

"When he prepared the heavens, I was there...

When he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Then I was by him, as one brought up with him, and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men."

 

 

Thus speaks the Goddess Sophia/Sapienta in Proverbs 8:27-30

 

Alas, despite our supposed double sapiency, we, Homo sapiens sapiens, have not yet heeded Her wisdom.

 

And still the bo'dei cannot see it ...

 

Stand back yah numbinous characters ... too close to the tre's and yah can't see the buttei thereof ...

 

Thanks to both of you. Now that we have come this far, let us not forget to remind ourselves that we often think like children. And that, for children, names and nouns speak of and point to things. They are natural theists.

 

Is it OK to ask our atheist acquaintances and friends, who live lives that are truly caring, if this is what is behind the problem they have with the god-hypothesis? 

 

Also, to our theist friends and acquaintances: How do you feel about some of us using a words like panentheism? Or unitheism? Does it annoy you that we us such words? Do you understand why we do it?

 

I will let Pan and Mandella put it in their own words, but let me assure you that--thanks to the writings of writers like Eckert Tolle--I am well aware of the danger of egoism. Or is it egotism? Or arrogance? But I admit that I like a pat on the back now and then, like most people. However, I do hope that I do not come across as one who is always fishing for compliments and praise.   

 

Let us remind ourselves: Perhaps it is the solution--to this and other problems--is what ought to be the focus of our attention.

 

Theists, long ago, you (I speak collectively here) gave up worshipping dimensional gods who lived on the mountains and/or in nature, right?

Let us talk about why they/we did this. Why did we feel the need to hold fast to a god with all our senses--even G?d?, the god of agnosticism? Is it because it is the nature of our brains to abhor a vacuum?

This just came to me: Perhaps this why scientists seem to want to hold on to their particles--even when they become strings?

 

 

 

 

"But I admit that I like a pat on the back now and then, like most people. However, I do hope that I do not come across as one who is always fishing for compliments and praise."

 

"Even when they become strings" ... attachments of the myth ... of that which we do not know ... annonymous ideals? That's the old Hebrew word for God ... they wouldn't say it ... for it was yet unknown to them ... requires an OBI (denied existence by many, won't gothere).

 

 Then does everything and every bodei of energy like to feel part of something? Humans are the greatest ones for shunning the surrounding gifts ... been there, dunne that! Been booted out of another community for sharing what I think and know ... for the pure god-type doesn't like a thinker ... just what he likes and to 'eL with the rest. Leads back to Matthew 5:22  ... "and yea shall see the fires of 'eL!" Some is lost in the transmutation of this thought from the words of the aboriginal Greek on eL-ite creatures of the unknown (anon?) Mus' (a redacted word of thought process, hated by Roman brutii/physically overwhelming?). But then they are just words ... dark and unfathomable to so many, yet bits of God to some as we ponder the mystery of eL-ite coming from the Shadow on the pageboy (carrier?). Complex but not so irrational ... if you think deeply about IÐ ... Ego-ism, or Egotism in it it's finest hour ... when balanced with great care--Sophia!

 

Is a string of myth penetratable to the mists above, a clouded soul? Almost legend ... Pi*chi*sh? Catharsis ... like pas'n an Eire Ba'aL!

 

But then Ego is self-awareness, that requires that you look at yourself as if from another eye ... a point of the imagination (the "i" in'ere) sort of myth-like perspective that people suffer when becoming dead to theis elf? There are wild consequences to this incident in un-namable (ineffable?) dimensions ... mostly unspeakable if you don't have a large advocate (related to vocabulary) when spoken by mortal you become the devil to Roman Type ... thinking people being dangerous to blind desires!

 

Understanding is a vicious Circe, round and round we go as we learn and change ... even how we think and believe... thus the new whine's kyn! The old one weeped over what it hadn't a clue about ... sort of like Bung ... becoming cognizant that he was right out of the larger icon, sort of an image.

 

Thus if you think you are shunned by mortals, live amoung eM and they'll act like your not there. They isolate themselves with their own thoughts and will not expand beyond that ... unless they read into some alien string, sort of like fringes or tales attached to the larger accord. You haven't been there yet!

 

Pay attention when you approach it ... it is like cannae ... all of a sudden you're going the other way as if a shock running up and down a chine ... strange word ... "chine"! Sort of like ET and ethics in the mortal poeL ... mor'eLs ... like toadstools can be hazardous if you don't think about what you're consuming! Some call that a lack of knowledge and wisdom the stuff of philosophy. That's bad to many ministerial types that appear to have an overabundance of Ego, and don't know it!

 

That stuff just boggles the mind intent on remaining simple ... some gathering required to make things more chaotic ... like citi in old 'ebre .. two types ... like Di An/na masquerading as aDonii ... it a given mis understanding ... sort of psych*ich! perhaps just a "çi*dek*ick" in some traditions ...

 

I remain, a bit crazy, in need of professional help ... but who'd ask me what's wrong? Thanks LG ... it appears you've mulled this over and over ... sort of like reuminating, a la manger? Grass roots territory! Its humble getting to the bottom of things ... subliminally your's and forever below the line of side of autocracy and its relatives ... real men! Consider me just a Piscine thought ... what you get when fishing into the ruagh winds ... sometime chaotic and realted to entanglement theory ... a non-thing that real people have difficulty getting their head around ...

 

Did you know that head in marine territory is a place for wee chits ... there are some odd things in word ... where God buried thoughts ... in the dark Ness of Shadows? Scares the be jah sous out of the paradigm in the test to see if they can get over that pile ... or thro' IT ... whatever it takes ... sometimes I feel that I've been stood on my head in it ... ever heard that joke about the weedaemons on coffee break ... sort of rapturous ... makeSus in never, never land giggle! It too ... wile pas ...

Interesting comment ... About your question, "who'd ask me what's wrong? "

 

Rest assured: All of us here would be very happy to read any response to the question, which you would feel comfortable giving. 

DAWKINS' DEFINITION OF THE GOD-HYPOTHESIS

 

Before we say anymore, let us pause and take a look at Richard Dawkins' book, The GOD Delusion, and see what he says on page 31 about what he calls THE GOD HYPOTHESIS. While I appreciate what he is trying to do, what he says is not in the clearest of language.

 

Mentioning the names Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Baal, Zeus and Wotan and calling them gods, he then proceeds to define what he calls "the God Hypothesis", which is this:  there exists a superhuman, supernatural intelligence who deliberately designed and created the universe and everything in it, including us."

 

Instead of calling this nonsense and dismissing the whole idea of GOD, he goes on to advocate what he calls an alternative view: "any creative intelligence, of sufficient complexity to design anything, comes into existence only as the end product of an extended process of gradual evolution."

 

Which is precisely what I had in mind when I stopped using the noun 'God'--meaning a superhuman, supernatural intelligence --and started using the acronym GÕD--that which generates, organizes and delivers.

 

BTW, I gave up believing in a superhuman, supernatural kind of god (the old man up there) in my middle teens. From then on, my thinking evolved to where it is NOW. And I have the feeling it will continue so to do.

 

 

 

Superhuman and supernatural?

 

Is that like beyond (myth?) human and anything natural? It is said in old scripts that man is the destroyer, advocate in an unravelling process? Unnatural!

 

Back to String Theory of which there is no end tuit ... and they said there would be advocate(s), mortals are not very clear on the matter of singular, or plural case on anything ... but the ancients believed there was god in everything ... sun-god, rain-god, word-god ... or was that just Shakespeare saying that everything was encased in word? When you run out of word for things astrophysicists ... just number eM ... as a sin of putting a label on eM that's out there? Perhaps to some I'Yam just a Nos. a leading myth? Close to abstract mind that is dark and hated although this started everything ... according to the first irony of Genesis 1:1-2 in which all creation was addressed in black then there was light if the dam' (dame with nun is damn to man; heh can't think) was uncovered as a spark for something else ... imaginary activity causing bumþ's in the night or something dropped through an alien chimney ... silver that was chimerii to the receiver.

 

One has to know about shekil in ancient understanding ... sort of like aDonii, a given state ... conceptual! Ain't a beautiful "phun" to those that think multifarious activity is not divine ... being able to relate to all things (thinks?) mentally? Physical and spiritual states of exchange may be viewed differently to those with statements of exegesis ... leading in court ... without hermunetic? No etude ... they just believe they know ... many miss this aspect; gnoestic slippage, or the old expression: "I'Yam Luce'n IÐ"! I "ethe" being indeterminate ...

 

Are there sins, or just lessons to learn on how not to do destructive analysis? Lets the Eire out of Ur ... unless chi's a hard case ... like Ayre's ... down under .. almost sublime as an icon ... something to observe as Semite but not worshipped as if it were the essence of god (minor love) as it is only harf of the story of the full dogma ... a pregnant thought as conceived?

 

In Mutant Message from Down Under there is a brilliant icon of the big hard place ... honoured by aboriginals from that arena ... singular peoples must understand a lot of alien myths ... Romans believed larger myths were to be controlled ... leading to Control Philosophy and the Psychology of Fear, gross etudes to many who wouldn't go there! Fraid of what they'd see, hear and speak about ... leading to ... omega de conception thereof ... athe*aught? Passion can do that to yah ... especially the one-way form ... monotheistic. Wee balanced have thought that's on a "T" with care ... somewhat indeterminately balanced? Especially if people don't know the history and derivation of "T" from "tau" and Taoism from Shintoism that's silent like the night with bumps, nowhere's to poo TeM ... an odd ommission ... as Dantean Fallout?

 

What's wrong? Why can't people think, or conceive of things beyond eM as frightened fixations .. arresting in alien dimensions? Lost in alien dimensions? Thus us for we chose not knowing anything ... a vast sense of rapture that can't go on indefinitely ... thus the conception of mortal infinite ... when we pas' ID'll change too ... but few can see what they are determined not to see ... a dimension of psyche which remains clear to me! I love Ur even though many autocrats, etc demand that "chi" is indeterminate ... only partly true as faux up in space ... must be ET-ich'lly formed ... abstract upright like the mental tree ... log-ihc ah-bye!

 

The only solution to fixed mentality: drop eM see if they bounce well or crack ... origin of the word Jared ... appears 250 times or so in the frightful syntax ... that's biblical ... poorly understood!

WB, I am to say, other than this two-word question with which you began your last post, what you write following this makes little or no sense to me. Did you actually consciously intend to be obscure? Just curious!

 

The last sentence you write is, by me, particularly obscure and, therefore, "poorly understood". You say:

 

"The only solution to fixed mentality: drop eM see if they bounce well or crack ... origin of the word Jared ... appears 250 times or so in the frightful syntax ... that's biblical ... poorly understood!"

 

 

Well shiver my timbers mate ... anyone that denies alien wisdom is dealing with supernatural "beyond us" if you consider mortal natural?

 

The manna is considered unnatural to the polynesian ... wanderers of the Zea ... like ink'n, blink'n and node one night ... the anonymous is a alien dimension ... that which mortals don't know is huge ... sort of humbling to the one that believes they know-it-all! I try my lar'd but fall far short with just a wee splat ... like waxen the san ... that without perspective ... OBI? Spy looking in from the frigid ... kohl ah-bye?  Christmas eve tradition for those without love of the imagination ... tell eM a myth! Warms the cockles ...

An imaginary m'n cannot tell truth ... such is denied wee peoples like the gift of thinking .. has to be obtuse or we would be persecuted for speaking about what we're not supposed to know ...

 

Queer thing ... gnoe? Unless of course you read phonetics! Fude for sole ... that out-of-Eire numenous entity ... sometime downright numb ... until wakened! there's a word for that related to methusalah ... bottom end memes?

 

Obscurity saves me from violent accusations ... that' I've bee thinQ'n again ... and we'll smell something burning as I'm marked by the holy inquisitors ... as if I knew what they don't! Ayres people just blow my mind ...

This is an anoymous internet forum WB, you're not going to be persecuted!

You think not ...?

 

 In a land of the free ... what do you think is sacred to the higher powers?

 

Only the wee folk are expected not to know ... consider what we don't know that is going on behind large curtains, fabrics and walls ... I can only counter with obscurity ... tell eM a myth .. you are required to figure out irony by yourself ... why you mind is private property --- Charles Dickens.

 

Then the bible says interpreters are required ... but often oppressed as I well know ... thoroughly burned from early days by the higher powers of desires ... thatis to keep me stupid ... like Shakespeare I'll play their silly game ... yous out there can interpret ... but it takes some years of etude ... derived from ET like unknown eth'ic ... a literary gift that is struggled with and about ... you know how literary gift is hated by the literal? Too deep ...

Is lite or'a sea a singular thing ... or just far too profound to reflect upon?

CHAPTER 2

THE GOD HYPOTHESIS

====================

Richard Dawkins begins chapter 2 (42 pages)

by describing "The God of the Old Testament".

 

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant

character of all fiction.He goes on to say that the OT God is "jealous

and proud of it; petty, unjust; unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive,

bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist,

infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal,

sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully ...Then he

quotes Thomas Jefferson--second president of the USA, who

wrote: "The Christian God is a being of terrific character--cruel,

vindictive, capricious and unjust."

 

Following this he quotes the God Hypothesis already mentioned. Then he writes: "God in the sense defined, is a delusion; and, as later chapters will show, a pernicious delusion."

 

THE TARGET OF DAWKINS' BOOK

In his book, Richard Dawkins says that he is attacking GOD, ALL GODS, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING SUPERNATURAL.

At this point, RD opens up the discussion to talk about how the God Hypothesis progressed from primitive tribal animisms through the polytheisms of the Greeks, Romans, etc., to the monotheisms of Judaism and derivatives, Christianity and Islam.

 

Interestingly, RD chooses not to attack Buddhism and Confucianism. Apparently, because they do not talk of and write about a supernatural God, and/or gods, he considers them as ethical systems or philosophies of life.  Perhaps this is why he also avoids mentioning  panentheism--what a growing group of us call "unitheism"--and the writings of the mathematician and philosopher, Alfred North Whitehead who wrote about process philosophy and theology. Theologically speaking, he wrote of god as that which is part of--in and through nature. For more on this, search on: The Rev. Charles Hartshorne. He took on the task of getting the info about process theology out there>

 

BTW, Whitehead was the son of an Anglican minister, He was also a friend and he collaborated with the famous atheist, Bertrand Russell. Together, they wrote Principles of Mathematics. [Watch For More on This!]

 

 

 

Anti-theists like Dawkins attack conventional fundamentalist definitions of God while overlooking the definitions of Pantheism, Panentheism, Gnosticism, Unitheism, and other definitions that define God not as a supernatural ghost but as the creative power or force of the natural universe.

 

I think the God hypothesis that Dawkins attacks is pretty much on the way out. By attacking it, he gives it more credit than it deserves, and actually keeps it alive rather than letting it die a natural death.

 

 

 

 

You guys are giving panentheism, unitheism, etc. much more credit than they deserve. They are not popular. There are lots of beliefs that Dawkins doesn't address directly, and the fact that he doesn't address your version of a god is not a point in your favour. You represent a small set of beliefs whose main attribute is that they are painful to have explained to you.

 A powerful, vindictive God of the OT is quite different in light of the NT ... in which such POWER is buried ... sort of subliminal and driving something else ... the process of thought?

Then several modern day ministers tell me that this process frightens them as much as woman ... a concept that could drive pathological killers like the pig-man of BC taking his frustrations out of aboriginal women ... or is that just an icon of psyche? Calm down old girl ... the storm CO-erupts ... compulsive-Obsessive behaviour at being oppressed?

 

God how many people hate other's alien thoughts ... as possession sets in ... the concept that the subjective in this conjugation didn't think of that first!

 

It gets even more complicated ... or is that complexly, indeterminate to an un*thin*king power ... sort of rounding out blind emotional drives ... line men or stick people ...

 

Sets thinkers in fits of giggles, RIFFeLs in church that the stoics look down their Noz at as the lyre grows uncontrollably ... they don't know how to control theis-elf!

 

Isn't that enough to Krank your imagination, the dark side, or abstract ...? Ham mire'd irony ... all in word! Thank god few can conceive they might believe I'm thinking of complications ... complexly? Simple phoqah won't gothere ... they hate tho'T ... to a "t"!

Are complex thinkers crazy, or just those that love to be ignorant of the deeps? That's "chaqah" in Hebrew, close to "tøom" that is dark ... this all because few people do a profound etude on such ancient literary expressions ... decrepid wisdom?

 

Odd thing right ... even alien to our preoccupations with presence?

 

Recall this too will pas ...

I agree, Chansen, that panentheism & unitheism are terms familiar only to a small number, at this point. But this does not mean that spiritual and spirituality--terms basic to panentheism & unitheism--are not popular.

 

As, at least in the West, organized religions are losing numbers, more and more people, including some agnostics, positive atheists and secularists, are opting for spirituality--religion without a supernatural god. This is OK by me. Meanwhile, you speak of my

My version of god? It is expressed in the acronym GÕD (not a noun), which symbolizes the Singularity--the mysterious Oneness, which, even as we post and read, is The focus of the elegantly written book by one of the world's leading theoretical physicists and a renowned educational innovator, Neil Turok.

 

His book, THE UNIVERSE WITHIN--from Quantum to Cosmos--was a Christmas gift from my wife. She, a retired teacher, is very supportive of my interest in the way human spirtuality, mentality and the thirst that most thinking people have for the sciences, intertwine.

 

Turok--obviously interested in spirituality--who is now a professor at Waterloo University, lives in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, just over a one-hour drive from where I live.

 

I'm not a fan of plastering a subject with long and fancy words to impress people with your  education. 

The only idea more ridiculous than the idea that the Universe was created as is, 6000 years ago, by a God who passes judgement every time I touch my weenie is the suggestion all this beauty happened by accident.

Theology is mostly self deception and fantasy set out as the divine wisdom of the Creator.

 

If you cannot reconcile yourself to change, and learning; is there any alternative to the universe being constructed in a Bang ... some kind of colosssal screw up?

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