I was hoping u would tell me. I am reading for my book club on Monday. This is not like the other book club that I joined where we meet at the bar and do not actually read the books.
Panentheism
Posted on: 01/21/2011 12:37
r and ur and u are letters - It is my small war against this form of communication
Serena
Posted on: 01/21/2011 12:42
Pan. This is a war u r going to lose.
Serena
Posted on: 01/21/2011 12:44
Here is something fascinating: but it probably needs a new thread:
Definition of hell: might be a good book
Panentheism
Posted on: 01/21/2011 18:53
Serena I know it is a losing project but but I refuse to engage in non speak ( this is said with humor ) But why not rage against the use of letters - A new book is Alone and and together speaks of the impact of the web and other such things ( the author was on Colbert the other night) and she worries about what it does to us - making us more lonely as we use social networks more. To be honest I do find the carry over from tweeter ( which limits thus encourages the use of letters) to discussions of depth - I know it is a personal thing but I almost stop reading but that is my problem.
So I will lose but but
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 01/22/2011 06:37
Serena wrote:
Who has read this book? What r ur thoughts?
Women:
Food:
God:
MikePaterson
Posted on: 01/22/2011 11:21
There you go Pan...
Morning Calm knows the flow... now it's stupid little icons. Communication is has turned into avoidance (terror?) of vulnerability. It's widespread... this is not about you, Serena, not really.
I suspect that the widespread impoverishment of communication, its decay from small talk to vacuous cliches and on yet further to the mass-produced icons YOU, Pan (of all people), introduce to this non-conversation -- visual representations of grunts, snorts and other trough sounds -- is born of a phobia of social engagement and one's own emotional capacities or incapacities.
This is online babble a medium that frequently stands in lieu of conversation rather than being any sort of extension of it. It often feels like talking to someone while they're doing their nails, playing with leftovers on their plates, watching a fly on the window or numbing out in front of a television.
This starts with a question from someone too indolent to read a book (an Oprah-level money spinner about the towering complications of eating sensibly) that no-one else seems to have bothered reading, but who joins a book club, and is a little surprised about an expectation that some reading may be required... but intends to go along anyway, maybe as somewhere new to do her nails or watch flies on the window... who knows? I'm sure she'll do fine. bluffing it. It'll be a great time!
Why are you bothered?
MikePaterson
Posted on: 01/22/2011 11:19
Serena (your gaffe was to post this under 'Religion and faith')... here is ALL you need to know (forget the hassle of the book, it doesn't sound worth it):
-------------------
No matter how sophisticated or wealthy or broke or enlightened you are, how you eat tells all.
If you suffer about your relationship with food -- you eat too much or too little, think about what you will eat constantly or try not to think about it at all -- you can be free. Just look down at your plate. The answers are there. Don't run. Look. Because when we welcome what we most want to avoid, we contact the part of ourselves that is fresh and alive. We touch the life we truly want and evoke divinity itself.
Since adolescence, Geneen Roth has gained and lost more than a thousand pounds. She has been dangerously overweight and dangerously underweight. She has been plagued by feelings of shame and self-hatred and she has felt euphoric after losing a quick few pounds on a fad diet. Then one day, on the verge of suicide, she did something radical: She dropped the struggle, ended the war, stopped trying to fix, deprive and shame herself. She began trusting her body and questioning her beliefs.
It worked. And losing weight was only the beginning.
She wrote about her discoveries in When Food Is Love, her first New York Times bestseller. She gave huge numbers of women their first insights into compulsive eating and she changed huge numbers of lives for the better.
Now, after more than three decades of studying, teaching and writing about what drives our compul-sions with food, Geneen adds a profound new dimension to her work in Women, Food and God. She begins with her most basic concept: The way you eat is inseparable from your core beliefs about being alive. Your relationship with food is an exact mirror of your feelings about love, fear, anger, meaning, transformation and, yes, even God. But it doesn't stop there. Geneen shows how going beyond both the food and feelings takes you deeper into realms of spirit and soul to the bright center of your own life.
With penetrating insight and irreverent humor, Roth traces food compulsions from subtle beginnings to unexpected ends. She teaches personal examination, showing readers how to use their relationship with food to discover the fulfillment they long for.
Your relationship with food, no matter how conflicted, is the doorway to freedom, says Roth. What you most want to get rid of is itself the doorway to what you want most: the demystification of weight loss and the luminous presence that so many of us call "God."
Packed with revelations on every page, this book is a knock-your-socks-off ride to a deeply fulfilling relationship with food, your body...and almost everything else.Women, Food and God is, quite simply, a guide for life.
About the Author
Geneen Roth is the author of eight books, including the New York Times bestselling When Food is Love and The Craggy Hole in My Heart and the Cat Who Fixed It, a memoir. She has been teaching groundbreaking workshops and retreats for over thirty years. Roth is a contributor to many publications from Huffington Post andGood Housekeeping to O:The Oprah Magazine, and has appeared on numerous national shows including Oprah, 20/20, Good Morning America, The View and NPR'sTalk of the Nation . She lives in northern California with her husband. For more information about her work, please visit www.geneenroth.com.
Panentheism
Posted on: 01/22/2011 11:35
MikePaterson wrote:
There you go Pan...
Morning Calm knows the flow... now it's stupid little icons. Communication is has turned into avoidance (terror?) of vulnerability. It's widespread... this is not about you, Serena, not really.
I suspect that the widespread impoverishment of communication, its decay from small talk to vacuous cliches and on yet further to the mass-produced icons YOU, Pan (of all people), introduce to this non-conversation -- visual representations of grunts, snorts and other trough sounds -- is born of a phobia of social engagement and one's own emotional capacities or incapacities.
This is online babble a medium that frequently stands in lieu of conversation rather than being any sort of extension of it. It often feels like talking to someone while they're doing their nails, playing with leftovers on their plates, watching a fly on the window or numbing out in front of a television.
This starts with a question from someone too indolent to read a book (an Oprah-level money spinner about the towering complications of eating sensibly) that no-one else seems to have bothered reading, but who joins a book club, and is a little surprised about an expectation that some reading may be required... but intends to go along anyway, maybe as somewhere new to do her nails or watch flies on the window... who knows? I'm sure she'll do fine. bluffing it. It'll be a great time!
Why are you bothered?
Great post mike - it says why I am bothered and so bothered I gave up on communications and communicating - I was reduced to non thought by the whole process - my despair over the loss of ideas lead me to reducing my involvement to non involvement.
It is like on face book where we have people tell us they are now having coffee at Tims - do I care? And why did you have to tell me? A new book is Alone together _ I think the author who is at MIT is Tirckle ) sp?)
MikePaterson
Posted on: 01/22/2011 12:13
The real scary bit is that it's so much easier to inflict pain and injustice on creatures and people we do not know... the new (non)communication makes us much easier to kill.
I'm glad I'm old enough to be not too anxious about that personally.
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 01/22/2011 12:27
MikePaterson wrote:
The real scary bit is that it's so much easier to inflict pain and injustice on creatures and people we do not know... the new (non)communication makes us much easier to kill.
Arminius
Posted on: 01/22/2011 13:36
Serena wrote:
What r ur thoughts?
I too have problems with this new form of written communication. I actually have to think for a few moments and decipher what it means!
When I read "ur," what comes to my mind instantaneously is a city in ancient Chaldea. In German, the prefix "ur" means ancient or extremely old, like "uralt" (ur-old)
Verbal communication, however, is often by grunts: mm, mhm, etc. Appearantly, such grunt language is now used in writing.
Pilgrims Progress
Posted on: 01/23/2011 00:22
MikePaterson wrote:
Morning Calm knows the flow... now it's stupid little icons. Communication is has turned into avoidance (terror?) of vulnerability. It's widespread... this is not about you, Serena, not really.
I suspect that the widespread impoverishment of communication, its decay from small talk to vacuous cliches and on yet further to the mass-produced icons YOU, Pan (of all people), introduce to this non-conversation -- visual representations of grunts, snorts and other trough sounds -- is born of a phobia of social engagement and one's own emotional capacities or incapacities.
Mike, re "stupid little icons".
Gotta say, mate, I'd be lost on this site without the "wink" icon.
Much to my chagrin (love that word!) I've discovered that without using a friendly icon or two, my Aussie directness and use of humour can be too confronting for some...........
(I have the wondermails to prove it).
Serena
Posted on: 01/23/2011 23:09
I read the book. The best part was the summary about hell.
Thanks for the synopsis Mike.
I am probably not going to the meeting. My new age friend convinced me to go with her to a seance instead. I have never been to a seance before. I have never really been to a book club either but the seance sounds more exciting. The last book club I went to met at the bar and we didn't even pretend we were reading books. I will probably go next month.
Comments
crazyheart
Posted on: 01/21/2011 12:14
What's it about, Serena?
Serena
Posted on: 01/21/2011 12:30
I was hoping u would tell me. I am reading for my book club on Monday. This is not like the other book club that I joined where we meet at the bar and do not actually read the books.
Panentheism
Posted on: 01/21/2011 12:37
r and ur and u are letters -
It is my small war against this form of communication
Serena
Posted on: 01/21/2011 12:42
Pan. This is a war u r going to lose.
Serena
Posted on: 01/21/2011 12:44
Here is something fascinating: but it probably needs a new thread:
Definition of hell: might be a good book
Panentheism
Posted on: 01/21/2011 18:53
Serena I know it is a losing project but but I refuse to engage in non speak ( this is said with humor
) But why not rage against the use of letters - A new book is Alone and and together speaks of the impact of the web and other such things ( the author was on Colbert the other night) and she worries about what it does to us - making us more lonely as we use social networks more. To be honest I do find the carry over from tweeter ( which limits thus encourages the use of letters) to discussions of depth - I know it is a personal thing but I almost stop reading but that is my problem.
So I will lose but but
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 01/22/2011 06:37
Women:
Food:
God:
MikePaterson
Posted on: 01/22/2011 11:21
There you go Pan...
Morning Calm knows the flow... now it's stupid little icons. Communication is has turned into avoidance (terror?) of vulnerability. It's widespread... this is not about you, Serena, not really.
I suspect that the widespread impoverishment of communication, its decay from small talk to vacuous cliches and on yet further to the mass-produced icons YOU, Pan (of all people), introduce to this non-conversation -- visual representations of grunts, snorts and other trough sounds -- is born of a phobia of social engagement and one's own emotional capacities or incapacities.
This is online babble a medium that frequently stands in lieu of conversation rather than being any sort of extension of it. It often feels like talking to someone while they're doing their nails, playing with leftovers on their plates, watching a fly on the window or numbing out in front of a television.
This starts with a question from someone too indolent to read a book (an Oprah-level money spinner about the towering complications of eating sensibly) that no-one else seems to have bothered reading, but who joins a book club, and is a little surprised about an expectation that some reading may be required... but intends to go along anyway, maybe as somewhere new to do her nails or watch flies on the window... who knows? I'm sure she'll do fine. bluffing it. It'll be a great time!
Why are you bothered?
MikePaterson
Posted on: 01/22/2011 11:19
Serena (your gaffe was to post this under 'Religion and faith')... here is ALL you need to know (forget the hassle of the book, it doesn't sound worth it):
-------------------
No matter how sophisticated or wealthy or broke or enlightened you are, how you eat tells all.
If you suffer about your relationship with food -- you eat too much or too little, think about what you will eat constantly or try not to think about it at all -- you can be free. Just look down at your plate. The answers are there. Don't run. Look. Because when we welcome what we most want to avoid, we contact the part of ourselves that is fresh and alive. We touch the life we truly want and evoke divinity itself.
Since adolescence, Geneen Roth has gained and lost more than a thousand pounds. She has been dangerously overweight and dangerously underweight. She has been plagued by feelings of shame and self-hatred and she has felt euphoric after losing a quick few pounds on a fad diet. Then one day, on the verge of suicide, she did something radical: She dropped the struggle, ended the war, stopped trying to fix, deprive and shame herself. She began trusting her body and questioning her beliefs.
It worked. And losing weight was only the beginning.
She wrote about her discoveries in When Food Is Love, her first New York Times bestseller. She gave huge numbers of women their first insights into compulsive eating and she changed huge numbers of lives for the better.
Now, after more than three decades of studying, teaching and writing about what drives our compul-sions with food, Geneen adds a profound new dimension to her work in Women, Food and God. She begins with her most basic concept: The way you eat is inseparable from your core beliefs about being alive. Your relationship with food is an exact mirror of your feelings about love, fear, anger, meaning, transformation and, yes, even God. But it doesn't stop there. Geneen shows how going beyond both the food and feelings takes you deeper into realms of spirit and soul to the bright center of your own life.
With penetrating insight and irreverent humor, Roth traces food compulsions from subtle beginnings to unexpected ends. She teaches personal examination, showing readers how to use their relationship with food to discover the fulfillment they long for.
Your relationship with food, no matter how conflicted, is the doorway to freedom, says Roth. What you most want to get rid of is itself the doorway to what you want most: the demystification of weight loss and the luminous presence that so many of us call "God."
Packed with revelations on every page, this book is a knock-your-socks-off ride to a deeply fulfilling relationship with food, your body...and almost everything else.Women, Food and God is, quite simply, a guide for life.
About the Author
Panentheism
Posted on: 01/22/2011 11:35
There you go Pan...
Morning Calm knows the flow... now it's stupid little icons. Communication is has turned into avoidance (terror?) of vulnerability. It's widespread... this is not about you, Serena, not really.
I suspect that the widespread impoverishment of communication, its decay from small talk to vacuous cliches and on yet further to the mass-produced icons YOU, Pan (of all people), introduce to this non-conversation -- visual representations of grunts, snorts and other trough sounds -- is born of a phobia of social engagement and one's own emotional capacities or incapacities.
This is online babble a medium that frequently stands in lieu of conversation rather than being any sort of extension of it. It often feels like talking to someone while they're doing their nails, playing with leftovers on their plates, watching a fly on the window or numbing out in front of a television.
This starts with a question from someone too indolent to read a book (an Oprah-level money spinner about the towering complications of eating sensibly) that no-one else seems to have bothered reading, but who joins a book club, and is a little surprised about an expectation that some reading may be required... but intends to go along anyway, maybe as somewhere new to do her nails or watch flies on the window... who knows? I'm sure she'll do fine. bluffing it. It'll be a great time!
Why are you bothered?
Great post mike - it says why I am bothered and so bothered I gave up on communications and communicating - I was reduced to non thought by the whole process - my despair over the loss of ideas lead me to reducing my involvement to non involvement.
It is like on face book where we have people tell us they are now having coffee at Tims - do I care? And why did you have to tell me? A new book is Alone together _ I think the author who is at MIT is Tirckle ) sp?)
MikePaterson
Posted on: 01/22/2011 12:13
The real scary bit is that it's so much easier to inflict pain and injustice on creatures and people we do not know... the new (non)communication makes us much easier to kill.
I'm glad I'm old enough to be not too anxious about that personally.
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 01/22/2011 12:27
The real scary bit is that it's so much easier to inflict pain and injustice on creatures and people we do not know... the new (non)communication makes us much easier to kill.
Arminius
Posted on: 01/22/2011 13:36
I too have problems with this new form of written communication. I actually have to think for a few moments and decipher what it means!
When I read "ur," what comes to my mind instantaneously is a city in ancient Chaldea. In German, the prefix "ur" means ancient or extremely old, like "uralt" (ur-old)
Verbal communication, however, is often by grunts: mm, mhm, etc. Appearantly, such grunt language is now used in writing.
Pilgrims Progress
Posted on: 01/23/2011 00:22
Morning Calm knows the flow... now it's stupid little icons. Communication is has turned into avoidance (terror?) of vulnerability. It's widespread... this is not about you, Serena, not really.
I suspect that the widespread impoverishment of communication, its decay from small talk to vacuous cliches and on yet further to the mass-produced icons YOU, Pan (of all people), introduce to this non-conversation -- visual representations of grunts, snorts and other trough sounds -- is born of a phobia of social engagement and one's own emotional capacities or incapacities.
Mike, re "stupid little icons".
Gotta say, mate, I'd be lost on this site without the "wink" icon.
Much to my chagrin (love that word!) I've discovered that without using a friendly icon or two, my Aussie directness and use of humour can be too confronting for some...........
(I have the wondermails to prove it).
Serena
Posted on: 01/23/2011 23:09
I read the book. The best part was the summary about hell.
Thanks for the synopsis Mike.
I am probably not going to the meeting. My new age friend convinced me to go with her to a seance instead. I have never been to a seance before. I have never really been to a book club either but the seance sounds more exciting. The last book club I went to met at the bar and we didn't even pretend we were reading books. I will probably go next month.