Crazyheart...where's your heart today? I am disappointed in your lack of understanding. Real words about real things were said to a real individual. There are real people at either ends of the computer putting their real thoughts into the virtual world. Read what Pinga said and really try to put yourself in Jae's shoes. I have said enough.

Real emotions happen in the virtual world. My cousin married someone he met and got to know virtually first- they fell in love and are still married 12 years later. My guess is hearts can be broken, too. Words are powerful things.

Please. Please make it stop.

I've said everything I could possibly say. I was trying to stick up for Jae because I don't think the reaction to this thread was fair. That's it.

*pokes head in after holycowfouryears*

*waves*

I have followed this thread and finally need to weigh in....

First .... I am very disappointed in Dcn Jae's post..

These were issues that were covered over and over again in microscopic detail...

Long since resolved and put to bed....

To come here and post a superbly negative "farewell" like this is not right at all.

This has a cowardly feel to it ...... take a parting shot and run away.....

It has been brought up that this person is a church leader (deacon) and eventually hopes to be a pastor.    I feel that far better conduct is required....

What he gets here is mild ..... no bloody nose ... not even a slap....

As far as I am concerned .... he gets what he gets .... he has earned it .... and I in no way feel it is out of line....

Sincerely

Rita

Worst. Timing. Evar.

Note: www.wondercafe2.ca

I know you too well to believe that.

Well, this is a verbal scuffle. There is no violence. But for the sake of metaphor- Jae has poked a few nerves and has received a pummeling from several people taking turns. Many against one. And so, yes, I hope reasonable guy would be big hearted enough to carry the load, even if unreasonable guy wants to be dropped (he really doesn't). Isn't that what it's all about? Think about that.

HA! Yes, having read the entire thread it's looking that way :)

And thanks: all signed up at WC2!

THIS IS A TIME FOR A NEW BEGINING!!!

If Jae really feels he has been badly treated by the Wondercafe community, he will not join us at wondercafe2.ca. Let the rest of us  just move on.

I look forward to subjugating you in my reign of tyranny, or whatever the hell people say I'm up to.

See you there. We're about to set off the scuttling charges in this ship so it doesn't fall into enemy hands.

Hi Kimmio,

The way you see the thread.

I guess that settles it.

Nobody else has permission to see the thread differently.

The thread would have been a lot shorter if you had told us what to think earler.

Grace and peace to you.

John

I wasn't nor could I stop you from thinking what you think. And of course you can (and will usually) see it differently. If I can change your mind about some things, that'd be okay too. But I doubt it. To say, "this is how I see it" was an attempt to better clarify my long convoluted argument. That much should be obvious. But thanks for the extra poke in the ribs for no good reason.

Hi Kimmio,

That makes all of your earlier comments about whose nose has been bloodied most meaningless.

Presumes that I haven't been thinking already.  Crazyheart isn't using her heart I'm not using my brain.  Good thing we have you to do our thinking and feeling for us.

Patient goes to see a doctor.  "Doctor", he says, "It hurts when I do this."  The Doctor thinks for a moment and says, "Then don't do that." 

At this point it is comedy.

The patient refuses to stop and experiences pain again and again and again

At this point it is a tragedy.

So how do we stop the tragedy?  Sue for malpractice? 

Grace and peace to you.

John

That's your opinion.  Most people go after Jae for his trolling, the cruel posts he has made in the past, and when he tries to play games with people.  Those are things he can change.

He has targetted people due to things they can't change.  Some of his games also have implications in the real world.

I have stood up for him because there are times he doesn't exhibit this behaviour.  That doesn't change the fact that he has hurt people though.  I've seen instances where people assumed he was trolling and I don't think he was, but it's understandable based on his past behaviour.  I have also stood up and shown concern trying to get him help when I thought he needed it, turned out it was a game.

Disagree. Pinga was especially out of line.

Hi Kimmio,

Wait a minute, Dcn.Jae gives somebody a poke in the ribs and that is okay and somehow when I poke you in the ribs it is a crime.

I'm not claiming you don't have a heart.

I'm not suggesting that you "think" about things.

I'm still the bad guy.

Grace and peace to you.

John

Well, it is metaphor- point being it is hurtful.

And yeah...good thing, eh? ;) really...you both have hearts and brains I admire. I get frustrated at times when I feel there's a clear point you're not getting...or I get disappointed that you disagree because...if this is about loving the 'unloveable' which we all are loveable in some ways and not in others- nobody's without flaws and without some redeeming quality- but we love anyway- then it should be an no brainer not to bash someone- even if you feel they did it first.

I didn't want to take it into R&F territory by saying "God has a big enough heart to carry us even when we want to be dropped- which we really don't- just loved and forgiven. And we endeavor to grant that grace to others even if we sometimes feel they don't deserve it." I figured you'd get that right away with the "think about it" comment- without taking the conversation into theological territory. That why. Not that you don't have a brain. Sheesh.

I said GRACE AND PEACE TO YOU.

What? Are you deaf and slow?

Hi Kimmio,

So why can't we use them?

And because you are frustrated you are allowed to lash out.  We on the other hand have no such permission.

I can empathize because on this side of the discussion it feels like there is a clear point you are not only not getting but you are avoiding.

Which takes us right back to the OP.  It should be a no brainer to bash even if you feel they did it first.  But hey, now that we've been bashed let's just accept we deserved it and move on.

Grace and peace to you.

John

Somebody just agree with Kimmio so this madness can end.

Does anyone else ever feel like WC must have an invisible ignore button somewhere?

Hi Kimmio,

The OP is Dcn.Jae's opening post.  That is the first punch thrown on this thread.

Grace and peace to you.

John

*chuckle* yes, even Satan needs love

Jae's still larnin -- he's got a while and a way to go before he becomes really skilled at discord & chaos...i give him aboot 10 more years...

like i say to believers here: 'your g_d is always testing you' :3

Hey there fellow B!  How's one of WC: Original Recipie's old guard doing?

Are you still following @arjunbasu @torontoist and @blogTO?

see yas on WC: The Second Coming

*passes out popcorn, perfectly willing and encouraging everyone else to enjoy as revjohn & Kimmio have this rap all to themselves until the end of WC: Original Recipie*

Rev John: It was not thrown at you personally, or at Pinga, or at CH- i think it was one last general snit/ vent about this place. Sort of "This is how I feel about this overall experience and I'm going to say it, leave it here, and that's that. And I won't let the door hit me on the way out, thank you very much." That's all it was. I was not offended- maybe because I didn't call Jae names? I find it strange that anyone would feel offended considering- he was called names. If he has lingering bad feelings about that it's unfortunate but not totally unfounded. One last chance to get the bad feelings out and dealt before moving on. That's what I think the OP statement was. The only person named personally was Aaron and it's up to Aaron to decide if he feels offended. My guess is a few wondermails got by him when he was busy.

Aaron is smart. Aaron is ignoring Jae and you. The rest of us aren't that bright.

Maybe he is. In that case he wouldn't be offended by any accusation of having done so.

I'm selling T shirts

SnP, I think you've beaten that dead metaphor you lead to water long enough.

Aw! See you there. And I'll contribute whatever crumbs might be left in my bag of Ruffles sour cream & onion...

Speak for yourself.  Aaron is not the only smart one around here.  

I long ago diagnosed Jae with Churettes..  Churettes (similar to tourettes) is a little known but serious condition related to  touchete disease, a sub set of tourettes.  IT causes periodic outbursts of hositility towards ones church.  (or the church one is raised in)  

They used to say it was caused by denomic possession, howevrer today it is suspected that it's caused by too much suger and caffeine, that and/or from sticking ones thiumb up ones rear end. 

Just as it's is best to ignore the outbursts of a person living with tourettes, the same gos to churettes.

Did you come up with "churettes"? Because that's good.

yes i did  

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Lol! I'll play along and lighten this up... Whadelse am I gonna do about it? Chansen has a new subset in the churette's spectrum, called godbergers. It causes him to express sarcastic remarks toward church or god related comments in general. It is a non-denominational multi-faith encompassing disorder. Kimmio seriously has a case of chronic verbal diarrhea after too much exposure to godbergers- and is just generally feeling fries- I mean fried. Kimmio admits it and excuses herself. Enjoy the rest of your day, people.

Gone for the day to come home and find people have been involved in bar fights, are throwing punches and giving each other bloody noses....

Sheesh...not sure whether to duck or run....think maybe I'll do both....

*chuckle* if this is a bar fight, then what is a war?  a bunch of newfies hitting each other with dandylions? :3

Alex,

nice neologism there :3  i've been impressed when I've seen Jae laugh & mock Christianity, which he believes in...that shows, to me, a kind of humility and character...

Yes! 'War' with dandelions! Great idea. What happened to Flower Power? I hope for the day. Gets the weeding done for the vegetables to grow, and settles differences, all at once. If only...

Hi Jae,

If you were a can, I would say most folk have had their kicks. Sorry.

As you are not a can, and I have no heart for kicking, let me simply say with the prophet:

"If thou hast run with the footmen and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? And if in the land of peace, wherein thou trusted, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of the Jordan?"

George

Hmmm. Been spending more time on WC2 the last few days, learning my way around there, than on WC. It's a lot more ... subdued ... over there. Although the feistiness of WC is admirable ... in some ways.

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So it seems others memories are as long as Jae's is and no one has really forgiven anything and it has come full circle. Maybe that was the statement. And considering the response- a curious and impactful one- an art form even. I've got to give him that. There's some strange genius to whatever's going on here. Has anyone grown or changed? I like Jae, quirks n' all. Pinga was over the top mean here, I think. Everyone else perhaps, including me, especially me, put too much time and effort here on this thread. We all remain as we are, none of us has changed- have we?- but hopefully learn a thing or two. I choose not to be offended.

My goodness...the whole thread is like a repeat of this one, replace a couple of characters- the two main protagonists are the same! At this point I just have to ROFL at the absurdity. Hey, why not? Open your imaginations for just a minute...It's too uncanny... I can't take it seriously now. I don't know why you all who were around for the original don't just find it amusing- or ignore it? I missed that whole exchange and I have to admit I am now trying hard not to laugh.

We've been punk'd!...and he left the building. Lol. What's there left to do but look at ourselves here, laugh at ourselves, and move on...

Hi Kimmio

I've deleted the thread of Jae's from 2010 that you commented on above  because I don't believe  it was beneficial to this thread.  I hadn't read the whole 2010  thread myself  until late. I presumed it would clarify or help us to understand Jae's OP but that didn't happen. It may only have made matters worse and more confusing re Jae and the WC.  Sorry about that. Hope you all understand.