blackbelt1961
Mark of the Beast
Posted on: 04/25/2014 12:57
Scientist today Claim Human Microchip Implants Will Become “Not Optional”, in a world economic system that it is needed to work and live for even the basics niceties as food or banking. The upside is , you will be tracked 24/7, 365 day a yr till you die, a slave to the system.
To gain access to official services, you’ll need to be a verified human. Without verification you won’t even be able to purchase a six pack of beer, let alone get medical care or a driver’s license
And it is easy to imagine what a government could do with this kind of technology. It could use it to literally track the movements and behavior of everyone. Pre crime police against the state!
And one day, this kind of technology will likely be so pervasive that you won’t be able to open a bank account, get a credit card or even buy anything without having either your hand or your face scanned first
No doubt we are headed there, so is Revelations 13 really that far fetched???
Comments
revjohn
Posted on: 04/26/2014 22:17
Hi airclean33,
I understand John this is your Idea of what it means . It's not what I believe.
And that means?
Here it would seem Christ disagrees with you as well.
Unless, of course, we note that in the two verses quoted Jesus says "no one knows" which is exactly what I have been saying.
But we'll just ignore that because nobody wants to hear that let alone believe it.
Instead we should just start cross referencing Revelation with Fox news and the newspaper because that is what the real Christians do. I guess.
We shouldn't test the spirits.
We should let fear and paranoia be the new fruits of the spirit that define the Christian faith. They will at least keep us watchful.
Because if we actually tested the spirits we would find that the conspiracy theories lifted up in this thread are lies. Lies and gossip started by and spread by Christians who are bearing fruit that is definitely not belonging to good trees.
And those not actively spreading the lies are busy looking for stuff they willnever see because the descriptions are in a code they don't care to even try and undersatnd.
Grace and peace to you.
John
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 04/26/2014 23:56
God has a great mission of redemption that he's engaged in, and only he knows exactly how he's going to bring it all about. We can be thankful that he chooses to involve us in it. Since we don't know the day or the hour, the best thing we can do is to keep serving God and others faithfully, while being passionate about the work, and aware that some day God will complete his mission.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 04/27/2014 06:46
God is in the redemption business (like Red Fox) for there is a lot of manufacturing errors out there on the human site/sitï/citi that need recall ... as prototypes!
From a NB nobody!
However it is the only way into that alien fabrication ... and usually disturbing and shocking to those tht make the journey (pilgrimage) and then want out ... such processess demand precidence ...
Get into yourself first and find out how big it is in those depths ... alas mostly empty territory ... rapture? Then you'll know it is getting time to collect some scat ... the thoughts of God as scattered by man who believes he doesn't need to know?
Is that naive or what? I am humbled by what kind of dimension that I live in and referesitself Christian and enlightened and yet still very abstract ... a'man needs a powerful soul-mate ... softenes the thorn in him as stele can do ... with phtha lique whispers of wisdom of love... and the warmonger rests!
Did you know that phtha in Ancient hieroglyphics is similar to Tao, or word ... just LOGOS right? This is a huge thing few know little about ... as we're in a holiday according to ironworkers ... a BH Rite!
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 04/27/2014 07:29
How does one "watch" observe, when science and blind faith are shoved down our throats as unconnected, singular entities (abba'd) in the sight of de mudder's bottom line sol' ... Mama Mia ...?
I suggest some ecclesia of the scatter effect ... con-verge antes of soul ... in the first place ... causing some urge to go back and take a second look at history and how it is presented by winners ... somewhat warped?
Habit you all Eire? God does like giving us a noble screwing over about naivete ... thus it repeats ... Rae Pedes ... in cyclic thought!
airclean33
Posted on: 04/27/2014 12:37
John you posted--
And again the doorkeeper will be called to watch. The rest of the household has other matters to attend to.
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Airclean-- I understand John this is your Idea of what it means . It's not what I believe.
Here it would seem Christ disagrees with you as well. God Bless.--airclean33
Mark 13:24-30
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
The Coming of the Son of Man
24 “But in those days, after that suffering,
the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light,
25 and the stars will be falling from heaven,
and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
26 Then they will see ‘the Son of Man coming in clouds’ with great power and glory. 27 Then he will send out the angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.
The Lesson of the Fig Tree
28 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he[a] is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.
It's only the day and hour John you will not know. But you can know when the time is near.
It also could be why He finished with this.
Mark 13:35-37
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
35 Therefore, keep awake—for you do not know when the master of the house will come, in the evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrow, or at dawn, 36 or else he may find you asleep when he comes suddenly. 37 And what I say to you I say to all: Keep awake.”
God Bless --airclean33
revjohn
Posted on: 04/27/2014 12:51
Hi airclean33,
Oh yes I see now my misstake Rev John. I had forgotten to underline my point.
Which is why I was critical of your lack of underlining right?
Oh wait, I wasn't critical of that. I was critical of the fact you ignored the "nobody knows" which appears twice in two verses.
Instead you want people to be watching for something they won't be able to identify.
Christ did say to look watch for it.
Yes he does.
He also instructs us to be about our work and our work is not watching for something we will not be able to identify. It certainly isn't for us to fall for every rumour and innuendo that masquerades as the fulfillment of prophecy.
Staying awake, keeeping watch mean staying vigilant, paying attention to what is true not taking the bait dangled by conspiracy theorists and being distracted from the work we are actually called to do.
Grace and peace to you.
John
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 04/27/2014 12:56
Hi airclean33,
Oh yes I see now my misstake Rev John. I had forgotten to underline my point.
Which is why I was critical of your lack of underlining right?
Oh wait, I wasn't critical of that. I was critical of the fact you ignored the "nobody knows" which appears twice in two verses.
Instead you want people to be watching for something they won't be able to identify.
Christ did say to look watch for it.
Yes he does.
He also instructs us to be about our work and our work is not watching for something we will not be able to identify. It certainly isn't for us to fall for every rumour and innuendo that masquerades as the fulfillment of prophecy.
Staying awake, keeeping watch mean staying vigilant, paying attention to what is true not taking the bait dangled by conspiracy theorists and being distracted from the work we are actually called to do.
Grace and peace to you.
John
This is where I would use a "Like" button.
GeoFee
Posted on: 04/27/2014 20:51
After the winter, I am able to see the sprouting barley rising from seed laid in the ground now some days past.
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Those well disciplined by the arts of observation know well what is signified by the news of our day under the sun.
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What I say here I say at every available opportunity, in a tongue appropriate to the particular present company: "Repent. The new idea is on the threshold ready to be welcomed.
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Though it is in deep danger before the power now adding up the numbers and determining the outcomes, it will take root, it will send up branch, and it will bear fruit.
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The power may breath with force of a strong wind, it will not extinguish the dawning and the rising of light.
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As David slew Goliath without a sword,
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George
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How you think of me changes nothing. The story begun in pride shall turn to it's necessary consequence.
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George
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WaterBuoy
Posted on: 04/28/2014 07:50
If a story begins with a semblance of delight instead of avarice ... does that count?
Does God have a dark humour-side? Isn't that the devil or just a displaced satyr ... what Noah was searching for to get the understanding in an underhanded way? Probably trolling ...
These are things Christians tell us we do not know on one hand and their other hand they tell us they know God (everything). Now is that celestial Humour or just far out dilemma?
Christians are even willing to tell us outlandish types (as shunned, supposedly stunned) where to go to see the light while they remain heavenly ... inde ark Ness the neigh esses ... sometimes meaning integrals of the wholly thing ... as it arrives as FUZZY LOGOS ... go figure! But first you should understand your myth and myrrh*theres ... as they go!
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/28/2014 11:58
For all intense and purposes, nowhere in this thread did I indicate that I know the day or hour, because frankly I or anyone else doesn’t know.
Furthermore, so called conspiracy theorists, is not what I base all on , there are some very good free speech news medians on the web other than main stream , are they always correct , of course not, but neither is corporate control main stream. You want to see better in what is going on , on the world stage, read them all, main stream and non main stream. So I cross reference and cross reference.
Does studying politics and world events to see where we are headed serving a spirit of fear as some suggested, no it doesn’t , mind you some fear is good to make certain avoidances . Jesus Himself did not hold back in His Preaching, “believe in me or else”, one of many.
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Ezekiel was shown what was truly going on behind closed doors with the elders, nothing has changed with the elite 1% today, you’ll be suspired what you learn when you study them all the way to the top.
The body of Christ is made up from the head to the toe, hands and feet we all have or part as little or as big as it is , don’t throw the baby out with water. Does it make me feel someone how special because I Like to learn , read , study , cross-referenced the bible , no it doesn’t, I realise I’m a sinner saved , I’m also not left a orphan , nor to I believe what I have learned is of the wrong tree.
Jesus is my Lord, I trust Him
chansen
Posted on: 04/28/2014 12:32
I don't care about the biblical aspect of this thread at all, because I really don't care what the bible has to say, especially in Revelation. I used to describe it as "crap", and though I still feel that way, I think John's "horror porn" is more descriptive. He is much better at refuting the biblical connections you're trying, and failing, to make. Your problems from that angle include more than just the timing.
Blackbelt, you mention that "main stream" media is often wrong. This is true. Our current news is a mixture of entertainment, selective reporting, and misdirection. It sucks, and it appears to be getting worse. My biggest problem with news is that it's become a ratings game, instead of an information source. As long as news organizations get money based on viewership and circulation instead of quality of content, we're going to have this problem. How to fix it is outside my area of expertise.
The answer, though, is not to simply start believing complete morons like the people running the websites you're reading. They are fearmongering assclowns, and they play up biblical references and tenuous biblical connections because they know that crap has an audience.
These people are playing you in exactly the same way CNN and Fox are. They are appealing to emotion. They know that if they say things that you already suspect, you'll believe it without a moment's hesitation, and you'll be hooked. You'll read their sites and link to them for more traffic. You may even buy their reasonably priced books and t-shirts. You're being totally played.
But most obviously, they're liars. We can demonstrate that. And they've got you repeating their lies here. When I point out those lies of attributing false words to old or dead people, you don't have the decency to apologize...you find a way to rationalize the lies. At least in your own mind.
So, while I'm one of the few who will stand up and actually say it out loud, I imagine very few people are taking you seriously on this thread. The credibility problems these sites have, is now your credibility problem as well.
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/28/2014 13:20
ng.
Blackbelt, you mention that "main stream" media is often wrong. This is true. Our current news is a mixture of entertainment, selective reporting, and misdirection. It sucks, and it appears to be getting worse. My biggest problem with news is that it's become a ratings game, instead of an information source. As long as news organizations get money based on viewership and circulation instead of quality of content, we're going to have this problem. How to fix it is outside my area of expertise.
wow I agree with you , but in the mean time did you know that the US trying to silence internet media and freelance journalists with new bills .
i wonder why
The answer, though, is not to simply start believing complete morons like the people running the websites you're reading. They are fearmongering assclowns, and they play up biblical references and tenuous biblical connections because they know that crap has an audience.
like i said before , not all are christian ( Jesse Ventura Athiest) , yes theres morons there too just like main stream, example Piers Morgan
These people are playing you in exactly the same way CNN and Fox are. They are appealing to emotion. They know that if they say things that you already suspect, you'll believe it without a moment's hesitation, and you'll be hooked. You'll read their sites and link to them for more traffic. You may even buy their reasonably priced books and t-shirts. You're being totally played.
thats what you assume that I only take form theas types and i dont .
But most obviously, they're liars. We can demonstrate that. And they've got you repeating their lies here. When I point out those lies of attributing false words to old or dead people, you don't have the decency to apologize...you find a way to rationalize the lies. At least in your own mind.
soem liars, some mis represent , some guess, some spill the truth , like the Drudge report, RT News, wiki, Snowden needs a site
So, while I'm one of the few who will stand up and actually say it out loud, I imagine very few people are taking you seriously on this thread. The credibility problems these sites have, is now your credibility problem as well.
that would be your assumption wether I posted such a thread or not , since your anti-christian,
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/28/2014 13:49
BB Jessie Ventura is no authority on what's going on in the world. You want to know how the world's in a mess read about history and political science and philosophy and sociology. It won't change the fact that the world's in a mess but it's more honest than the tabloid tv crap.
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/28/2014 14:06
When did Christianity become so much about trying to decode the Book of Revelation. Really? I wasn't brought up in a particularily Christian home- not church goers. But I learned that Jesus was a good man who stuck up for the underdog and that above all we're supposed to care about others. No matter their religion- on the basis of being human. To me, that's what Christianity was about and I still believe that's the core of it- it really is that simple- no matter what happens in our lifetime.
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/28/2014 14:33
no but being a US army seal and governer , im sure hes got a good idea.
You want to know how the world's in a mess read about history and political science and philosophy and sociology. It won't change the fact that the world's in a mess but it's more honest than the tabloid tv crap.
thats the point i dont only read tabloid, i study politics, history, science, philosophy, actually i have been studying it off and on for 10 yrs
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/28/2014 14:32
I can say this, mans nature has not changed, we see it from genises to revelations , and in our history right on to the world stage
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/28/2014 17:03
No, it hasn't changed much. I have nothing to add to my previous posts or about Jessie Ventura. I haven't changed my mind. I don't think being an army seal and a governor automatically gives him a good idea. The army often recruits poor kids from mall parking lots, and third rate actors and wrestlers have been known to get elected to be governors and presidents. That doesn't automatically mean they have 'a good idea' about everything going on in the world- it means they are popular entertainers, or in the case of poor kids getting recruited- they lack better opportunities and get promised all kinds of dreams come true "be all you can be", etc. They don't always know why they're going.
chansen
Posted on: 04/28/2014 17:12
Blackbelt, you mention that "main stream" media is often wrong. This is true. Our current news is a mixture of entertainment, selective reporting, and misdirection. It sucks, and it appears to be getting worse. My biggest problem with news is that it's become a ratings game, instead of an information source. As long as news organizations get money based on viewership and circulation instead of quality of content, we're going to have this problem. How to fix it is outside my area of expertise.
wow I agree with you , but in the mean time did you know that the US trying to silence internet media and freelance journalists with new bills .
i wonder why
Because you read and believe the words of idiots. No one cares to silence conspiracy idiots because they are idiots and only idiots believe them.
The answer, though, is not to simply start believing complete morons like the people running the websites you're reading. They are fearmongering assclowns, and they play up biblical references and tenuous biblical connections because they know that crap has an audience.
like i said before , not all are christian ( Jesse Ventura Athiest) , yes theres morons there too just like main stream, example Piers Morgan
Great - you found an atheist who is a conspiracy theorist. And how much of a conspiracy theorist is he, anyway. I mean, he seems to think people would be out to get him if he ran for anything higher than governor. As an atheist in the US, he doesn't stand a chance, anyway. We're the least trusted minority group in the US, last I saw. He doesn't have to worry about running for president, because he wouldn't be able to win on that count for another 20 years or so when the country becomes more secular.
These people are playing you in exactly the same way CNN and Fox are. They are appealing to emotion. They know that if they say things that you already suspect, you'll believe it without a moment's hesitation, and you'll be hooked. You'll read their sites and link to them for more traffic. You may even buy their reasonably priced books and t-shirts. You're being totally played.
thats what you assume that I only take form theas types and i dont .
You took their ideas and started this thread. With their images. Of lies.
But most obviously, they're liars. We can demonstrate that. And they've got you repeating their lies here. When I point out those lies of attributing false words to old or dead people, you don't have the decency to apologize...you find a way to rationalize the lies. At least in your own mind.
soem liars, some mis represent , some guess, some spill the truth , like the Drudge report, RT News, wiki, Snowden needs a site
I don't even know where to begin with that....
So, while I'm one of the few who will stand up and actually say it out loud, I imagine very few people are taking you seriously on this thread. The credibility problems these sites have, is now your credibility problem as well.
that would be your assumption wether I posted such a thread or not , since your anti-christian,
We occasionally agree, and I quite often agree with many Christians on this site, so that doesn't wash. Not at all. I don't disagree with you here because you're wrong, you're posting lies, and I've demonstrated that they are lies.
Here's a simple question: Why post lies? Why, if your collection of morons is correct, would they have to resort to lies?
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/28/2014 17:34
Blackbelt, you mention that "main stream" media is often wrong. This is true. Our current news is a mixture of entertainment, selective reporting, and misdirection. It sucks, and it appears to be getting worse. My biggest problem with news is that it's become a ratings game, instead of an information source. As long as news organizations get money based on viewership and circulation instead of quality of content, we're going to have this problem. How to fix it is outside my area of expertise.
wow I agree with you , but in the mean time did you know that the US trying to silence internet media and freelance journalists with new bills .
i wonder why
Because you read and believe the words of idiots. No one cares to silence conspiracy idiots because they are idiots and only idiots believe them.
yes well thouse idiots you so proudly speak of have proven much by exposing bills that were being pushed through crongress under the peoples radar,
but of course you knew that ,,, NOT
We occasionally agree, and I quite often agree with many Christians on this site, so that doesn't wash. Not at all. I don't disagree with you here because you're wrong, you're posting lies, and I've demonstrated that they are lies.
you quite often agree???????????????????
Here's a simple question: Why post lies? Why, if your collection of morons is correct, would they have to resort to lies?
agenda 21,,, oh ya bullshit
internet bills to censorship it, (SOPA/PIPA)yes thats a big lie too, after all the only true voice is that of the goverment
chansen
Posted on: 04/28/2014 22:43
Blackbelt, you mention that "main stream" media is often wrong. This is true. Our current news is a mixture of entertainment, selective reporting, and misdirection. It sucks, and it appears to be getting worse. My biggest problem with news is that it's become a ratings game, instead of an information source. As long as news organizations get money based on viewership and circulation instead of quality of content, we're going to have this problem. How to fix it is outside my area of expertise.
wow I agree with you , but in the mean time did you know that the US trying to silence internet media and freelance journalists with new bills .
i wonder why
Because you read and believe the words of idiots. No one cares to silence conspiracy idiots because they are idiots and only idiots believe them.
yes well thouse idiots you so proudly speak of have proven much by exposing bills that were being pushed through crongress under the peoples radar,
but of course you knew that ,,, NOT
A "NOT" joke? In 2014? Really?
No one is shutting down the Drudge Report, or any of your other preferred sites. How do I know? For one, they can't if they wanted to, but mostly, nobody cares. These site play to a limited audience of people who want to be angry. Someone will always be there to fan the flames.
What that doesn't mean, is if people like you bring crap like that to a place off the conspiracy train, that we have to treat it nicely. We don't. Especially when you won't even aknowledge the lies you're spreading.
We occasionally agree, and I quite often agree with many Christians on this site, so that doesn't wash. Not at all. I don't disagree with you here because you're wrong, you're posting lies, and I've demonstrated that they are lies.
you quite often agree???????????????????
We quite often agree. Ask around.
Here's a simple question: Why post lies? Why, if your collection of morons is correct, would they have to resort to lies?
agenda 21,,, oh ya bullshit
internet bills to censorship it, (SOPA/PIPA)yes thats a big lie too, after all the only true voice is that of the goverment
Surprise, SOPA and PIPA were picked up by the mainstream media as well. Lots of people have spoken up and reported on them. Your conspiracy idiots merely jumped on a bandwagon - they didn't even lead the charge.
As for Agenda 21? The UN action plan that is voluntary and non-binding? The one Glenn Beck railed against because he is too stupid to live?
Here's the thing I don't get: How can the UN be useless on one hand, and yet pull off these giant conspiracies the nutcases attribute to them? There's a disconnect there, not that you could find it.
Here's something you don't want to read from Slate, because it isn't the sensationalist crap you want it to be:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/onearth/2013/03/agenda_...
Now, you still didn't close to address my question: Why post lies? Why, if your collection of conspiracy theory sites are correct, would they have to resort to lies?
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/28/2014 23:31
Blackbelt, you mention that "main stream" media is often wrong. This is true. Our current news is a mixture of entertainment, selective reporting, and misdirection. It sucks, and it appears to be getting worse. My biggest problem with news is that it's become a ratings game, instead of an information source. As long as news organizations get money based on viewership and circulation instead of quality of content, we're going to have this problem. How to fix it is outside my area of expertise.
wow I agree with you , but in the mean time did you know that the US trying to silence internet media and freelance journalists with new bills .
i wonder why
Because you read and believe the words of idiots. No one cares to silence conspiracy idiots because they are idiots and only idiots believe them.
yes well thouse idiots you so proudly speak of have proven much by exposing bills that were being pushed through crongress under the peoples radar,
but of course you knew that ,,, NOT
A "NOT" joke? In 2014? Really?
No one is shutting down the Drudge Report, or any of your other preferred sites. How do I know? For one, they can't if they wanted to, but mostly, nobody cares. These site play to a limited audience of people who want to be angry. Someone will always be there to fan the flames.
What that doesn't mean, is if people like you bring crap like that to a place off the conspiracy train, that we have to treat it nicely. We don't. Especially when you won't even aknowledge the lies you're spreading.
We occasionally agree, and I quite often agree with many Christians on this site, so that doesn't wash. Not at all. I don't disagree with you here because you're wrong, you're posting lies, and I've demonstrated that they are lies.
you quite often agree???????????????????
We quite often agree. Ask around.
Here's a simple question: Why post lies? Why, if your collection of morons is correct, would they have to resort to lies?
agenda 21,,, oh ya bullshit
internet bills to censorship it, (SOPA/PIPA)yes thats a big lie too, after all the only true voice is that of the goverment
Surprise, SOPA and PIPA were picked up by the mainstream media as well. Lots of people have spoken up and reported on them. Your conspiracy idiots merely jumped on a bandwagon - they didn't even lead the charge.
As for Agenda 21? The UN action plan that is voluntary and non-binding? The one Glenn Beck railed against because he is too stupid to live?
Here's the thing I don't get: How can the UN be useless on one hand, and yet pull off these giant conspiracies the nutcases attribute to them? There's a disconnect there, not that you could find it.
of course they were were pick up on main stream, just given an politcial correct view,
sell it to the people, and you ingest it
chansen
Posted on: 04/28/2014 23:38
Here's the question you keep dodging: Why post lies? Why, if your collection of conspiracy websites is correct, would they have to resort to lies?
Further to that, why do you not care that you are spreading lies?
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/28/2014 23:55
Here's the question you keep dodging: Why post lies? Why, if your collection of conspiracy websites is correct, would they have to resort to lies?
you say there lies. i have posted vidoes of the Bushes, Kissinger , Clinton speaking on record, that you cant be bothered watching or researching, you ust scream lier
I guess there lieing also
Further to that, why do you not care that you are spreading lies?
cuz im not , your just being an idot
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/28/2014 23:59
I looked up agenda 21. Why is it such a boogeyman? Something wrong with sustainable development? Can you explain what you find so disconcerting about it?
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/29/2014 00:34
That is a conspiracy that Glen Beck cooked up!!!! Please. Here is the big, bad, horrific "Agenda 21" item by item...
http://habitat.igc.org/agenda21/
Scary stuff (sarcasm).
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/29/2014 10:44
It was drafted 12 years ago, and to be honest, it doesn't look like the world's made a whole lot of headway in that direction (which looks like a positive direction, IMO), unfortunately.
I am so glad Glenn Beck is giving up his show and going to make movies or something. **edit: added extra 'n' to Glenn. **edit again: 22 years ago, not 12, in 1992! Sorry. Time flies.
chansen
Posted on: 04/29/2014 01:04
Here's the question you keep dodging: Why post lies? Why, if your collection of conspiracy websites is correct, would they have to resort to lies?
you say there lies. i have posted vidoes of the Bushes, Kissinger , Clinton speaking on record, that you cant be bothered watching or researching, you ust scream lier
I guess there lieing also
Two things you posted to this thread:
Lie.
Lie.
I've already proven that the David Rockefeller quote is an outright lie. That was in your opening post. the JFK quote...nobody can find. You posted it, you find it. Go back to where you lifted it from and ask. No amount of searching could help me find it. You try. Prove me wrong.
Further to that, why do you not care that you are spreading lies?
cuz im not , your just being an idot
Is that Apple's new product?
Look, it's very simple, find some evidence beyond the bleatings of a conspiracy theorist that these two men said these things. I have nothing that says JFK did, and the "conspiracy speech" often cited as the source does not contain these words, and it's widely accepted that the "secret society" JFK speaks of was the Soviet Union, which kinda makes sense.
In the case of David Rockefeller, I showed you a video of that speech, saying something that started a bit like the quote, but was not the quote, and meant something completely different.
So, at best, JFK is unsubstantiated, and the Rockefeller quote is an outright lie.
Alex
Posted on: 04/29/2014 02:08
According to this link that Chansen posted earlier JKF spoke in public twice 7 days before he was assassinated. His speeches were recorded and he did not say this or anything close to it on that day.
The quote about the plot to enslave people only appeared in 2004, 40 years after JFK died. You would think it would have been noticed during the inquiry, and subsequent research, and included in movies like Oliver Stone/s JFK/
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 04/29/2014 10:48
Is "IDIOT" subjective or objective in the case of people that live in a sea of lies ... and find they must conform to the norm? The easiest way is ... do not question anything!
As they say when in Rome do as the Romans do ... and you can see a certain sense of destructiveness towards common folk hidden in the intent ...
There is drole attitude to the trolls that work under the surface of de span ... between psychologic and pathological characteristics ... a decidedly thin red line if you observe from an alien position ... strange indeed Karen Thinkers ... conception of the dust-off-sciy Russian guy on reacting to pure so Viet-ism and extreme to capitalism that comes and goes around ... wobbles happen without balanced psyches ...
Then in the "here and now" much stuff is covered up and a lot of superficial minds can't see this ... some don't even believe in mind-soul-psyche complexs and follow Occum's Rule alone ... cut the crap and follow you're heart even though that hints of disaster ... above all don't think ... knowledge is bad to the god(s)! Does this suggest something subtle?
No one desires to think .. eliminating philosophers and philosophy as tough stones ... thus the stone cutter trilogy ... just to sharpen the dynastic point ... dionysus destruction as a scattered Beautiful Mind? Overpowering irrational behaviour can do that ... and it is not so far beyond human behaviour that we can't be self-destructive from the power of Love/God ... sometimes called avarice ... the un common need to control everything ... like L'uv it's dark too!
Creation seems to have sealed this up on this mote in space called mire earth ... a dirty dilemma in spatial conceptions ... perhas even has a sense of Guidian esse to wit ...
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/29/2014 13:06
Just because the world's in a mess doesn't make these conspiracies true. No, we aren't told the truth about a lot of things. Doesn't make these guy's fantasies true. And, IMO, feeding people's irrational fears is 'feeding the beast'. The propaganda incites fears and anger that divides people. The religious extremist 'End Times' conspiracies do this- incite panic among people who are easily manipulated, supposedly in the name of God- and bring people to their 'side' through fear driven ideology. And, the less people of all faiths and ethinicities are able to cooperate and get along for the greater good of the world, the more excuse the governing powers have to step in and control things by force (and then they say "see, we told you so.")The extremists work against everyone's best interests for peace and they don't realize it. They're not helping- it creates more harm and chaos- it incites more wars as means to an 'end'. Think about it this analogy that we can see happening for real- riot police only step in because there's a riot- and so, if there are extremes on either end buying and speading propoganda and instigating the riot- they are feeding the need for such measures. And that creates a whole lot of problems for the average person who just wants to live simply in peace. That's how the world works. And that is NOT what people of faith are called to do. We're called to care for one another and this planet we were put on. It's really simple. It brings glory to God, to the source of life, to sustain and care for the lives of humanity and the planet which was created by God. It's mind boggling that people can then turn anti poverty, peace and environmental sustainability efforts and turn them into an 'anti-Christ' conspiracy. It's backwards.
unsafe
Posted on: 04/29/2014 13:01
Here is a Conspiracy Theory ---for us ----True or not true ---that is the question??????
RitaTG
Posted on: 04/29/2014 13:06
...the comfort of truthiness.....
Solidifying one's beliefs with counterfeit truths rather than doing the work of verifying the facts.
We could relate this to another thread "What is the Doctrine of Baalam" ....
Why is it that so many so called christian sites are so guilty of this?
There are scriptures regarding unjust weights and measures as well....
Seems to me a religion built on sand......
Regards
Rita
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 04/29/2014 14:07
...the comfort of truthiness.....
Solidifying one's beliefs with counterfeit truths rather than doing the work of verifying the facts.
We could relate this to another thread "What is the Doctrine of Baalam" ....
Why is it that so many so called christian sites are so guilty of this?
There are scriptures regarding unjust weights and measures as well....
Seems to me a religion built on sand......
Regards
Rita
Yet as I recall you claim Christianity as your own religion.
chansen
Posted on: 04/29/2014 14:48
Yes, Jae, I have a hard time with that one, too.
RitaTG
Posted on: 04/29/2014 15:16
...the comfort of truthiness.....
Solidifying one's beliefs with counterfeit truths rather than doing the work of verifying the facts.
We could relate this to another thread "What is the Doctrine of Baalam" ....
Why is it that so many so called christian sites are so guilty of this?
There are scriptures regarding unjust weights and measures as well....
Seems to me a religion built on sand......
Regards
Rita
Indeed I do Dcn Jae .....
I feel that christianity is a very personal thing and that my christianity need not be like anyone else's.
Personally I feel an increasing compulsion to check facts and to be sure as I can.
When the facts are not solid ...to be careful of my position and be open to change as more facts emerge.
In a nutshell ... that describes my personal christianity methodology...
I hope this explanation helps
Regards
Rita
RitaTG
Posted on: 04/29/2014 15:19
chansen ... I apoligized for not being more clear in my post.
I was referring to christian religion in a general way with more the focus towards the more literalist varieties....
I should have taken more care to clarify that....
I am sure you will read my reply to Dcn Jae and I hope that helps a bit.
Regards
Rita
chansen
Posted on: 04/29/2014 15:36
Honestly? It pains me. I can't believe you turned out like this, Rita. Of all the things you could have been, why did you have to be....I can't even bring myself to say the word....a Christian?!?
stardust
Posted on: 04/29/2014 15:39
unsafe
I watched your video above. I've been reading about Haarp since a long long time. I don't call it fear mongering. I call it information and I believe its very real and true. For the benefit of those who may not watch videos here is an article about Haarp:
To watch this engaging 15-minute CBC documentary online, click here. For an even more detailed and revealing 45-minute History Channel documentary on HAARP and other secret weapons used for electromagnetic warfare, click here. Below are two quotes from the History Channel documentary:
For those who still doubt that such devastating secret weapons have been developed, here is an intriguing quote from an article in New Zealand’s leading newspaper, the New Zealand Herald:
If the military secretly developed a weapon which could cause a tsunami over half a century ago, what kind of advanced deadly weapons might be available now? And why is it that the general public still doesn’t know about secret weapons developed over 50 years ago? To understand why the media isn’t covering these highly critical issues, click here. Clearly the military has the capability to cause a tsunami and likely to cause earthquakes and hurricanes, as well. It’s time for us to take action to spread the word on this vital topic.
Having interpreted to for top generals in my work as a language interpreter with the US Department of State, I learned that military planners are always interested in developing the most devastating weapons possible. Yet these weapons are kept secret as long as possible, allegedly for reasons of national security. The many layers of intense secrecy both in the military and government result in very few people being aware of the gruesome capabilities for death and destruction that have been developed over the years. There are many examples of major defense projects kept successfully out of the public’s eyes for years and even decades.
The massive Manhattan Project (development of the first atomic bomb) is one such example. The building of an entire city to support the project in Oak Ridge, Tennessee was successfully kept secret even from the state’s governor. The stealth bomber was kept top secret for many years, and the public still has no way of knowing it’s full capabilities. It is through the use of the highly organized military and intelligence services that the power elite of our world, working in cooperation with key allies in government and corporate ownership of the media, are able to carry out major cover-ups and secret operations like those involved with HAARP.
Some researchers have raised questions about the possible involvement of HAARP in major disasters like the earthquake in Haiti, Indonesian tsunami, and hurricane Katrina. Could these have been HAARP experiments gone awry? Might they even have been caused by rogue elements which gained control of this devastating technology. Of course disasters like this happen regularly on a natural basis, yet if you begin to research, there is some high strangeness around some of these disasters. The evidence is inconclusive, yet with the known and unknown major destructive capabilities of this weapon, serious questions remain.
Jesse Ventura, the former Navy Seal who turned pro wrestler only to then become governor of Minnesota, has also done a special on HAARP that is a bit sensationalized, yet contains useful information. You can watch this special on YouTube at this link.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/haarp-secret-weapon-used-for-weather-modification-electromagnetic-warfare/20407
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/29/2014 15:56
Here is a Conspiracy Theory ---for us ----True or not true ---that is the question??????
And you think this is connected to Agenda 21?
stardust
Posted on: 04/29/2014 15:59
Blackbelt
I hadn't heard about the Gerogia Guidestones before.
An inscription on it reads :
"Maintain a population of 5 hundred million"..... and then there is some reference to pop. control. This is truly very weird and strange. I cannot conceive in my wildest dreams what group of people are responsible.
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/29/2014 17:11
They're not that weird- no weirder than Banksy- and they're not scary- if you think about it, anyone could've made them and 'promoted' their importance- and overblown it- which is just the attention they would want. The thing that freaks people out is likely the 500 mil part- seeing as there are 7 bil of us on earth (hmm, but there are just over 500 million in North America). Other than that there's nothing fearful about the messages. I've seen weirder sculptures.
And I still can't fathom how George Lucas came up with Star Wars, or how Huxley wrote Brave New World- from their imaginations.
RitaTG
Posted on: 04/29/2014 16:21
Honestly? It pains me. I can't believe you turned out like this, Rita. Of all the things you could have been, why did you have to be....I can't even bring myself to say the word....a Christian?!?
LOL
... I apologize for causeing you pain chansen.
As I have said before ..... my reasons for being a "christian" are very personal and is not independantly verifiable. But the experience remains and is so powerful that I still follow this path.
At the very least I do hope that my christianity is at least tolerable to some degree.
I have have found your posts and arguments to be very challenging and I thank you for that.
I seriously consider all you post.
Regards
Rita
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 04/29/2014 16:30
Does anyone recognize the script?
It is enough to make a Harpie squalk ... especially if heh's a Canadian prior minister ... looking back at some future time and saying: "o'mega'd ... I did that?"
Hindsight is a wonnerphul thing ... like always keep an ion yer ass ... these oppose Ka Tye'ns in a aberrition of LOGOS ... emotionally ordered without thought ... defining Ire 'NG ... as non-governmental activity of the irrational ...
Just the way it is without thought or wisdom in the matters of blind fates ... when you don't see where you're goan ...
Many leaders suffer this trait as super facial ... perhaps even emotionaly edifying in the ends like HO Ka sticking in off ends ... these guys don't give a damn hoo they off end ...
UnDefinitive
Posted on: 04/30/2014 01:17
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ ... TRUE !
unsafe
Posted on: 04/30/2014 11:22
Hi stardust your quote
unsafe
I watched your video above. I've been reading about Haarp since a long long time. I don't call it fear mongering. I call it information and I believe its very real and true
I believe this could be very true as well ------I also call all this information that we all should be aware of ----The Verichip is very real in my opinion and we shoul all be awear of it and its use ----We all have to decide for ourselves what is real and what isn't ----but this is all still information that is all about Power and Greed which is what this World runs on -------God has a plan and no one will stop His plan from taking place the way He wants it to go ----but I do feel awareness is key to what our world is coming to -----God knows what is really going on so we need to trust in Him and let Him look after the truth -----we can only sermise.
I do believe like blackbelt they are working toward A One World Goverment ---this video is interesting I thought
Peace
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/30/2014 13:38
Hi unsafe, can you point specifically to where in the bible "one world government" is mentioned. I mean, we've got corporate globalization, we have for a long time and we're all part of it with the purchases we buy, the Internet, etc. That's just a fact. But the term "one world government" is not mentioned in the Bible. Christ's Kingdom- is supposed to be a "one world government" if you think about it. That's the idea. But, one that is peaceful and does not operate on greed. Therefore, when looking at these conspiracy theories, I see a great big difference between governments joining forces to manipulate and oppress people and efforts of say, the UN to try at least to establish peaceful relationships between nations, and people, and propose sustainable development projects so that people have food, clean water, and a chance at life. The UN is composed of people- and I'm sure many are peaceful Christians too. I don't think the UN and it's human rights goals deserve to be lumped in with some evil one world government conspiracy. Besides, their treaties are mostly unenforceable, they are established on recommendations and an honour system that often governments (and corporation whose money determines government decisions) don't honour.
unsafe
Posted on: 04/30/2014 13:59
Hi Kimmio
I am not out to point to anything I gave my view and that is it ---Period ---as I pointed out God will carry out His Plan for this world His way -----
you can read some scriptures here and do your homework as to wht it really is saying and meaning ----
http://www.openbible.info/topics/world_government
This is interesting as well if you care to read it ------and it indicates a one system will be in place ----Revelations 13 along with other like Daniel ----
http://www.gotquestions.org/one-world-government.html
Whether you believe it or not is not the issue ---God will bring His word forward as He wishes ----you nor I have any say it that ------
Here is scripture on New Wold Order -----
http://www.openbible.info/topics/new_world_order
Peace
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/30/2014 14:23
You are trying to point out stuff, though. And you almost always quote scripture from a literalist point of view to try to back it up. You post videos to point things out. So, why are you so opposed to answering questions about the ideas you post about? I'm just trying to get clarification from you- the other day you posted a video about Haarp that I must admit raised my eyebrows- from a legitimate news source that doesn't do completely shoddy reporting, they still have some credibility- so yes, actually, that was a good video I thought. It got my interest. But you and Blackbelt are often in agreement and the other day he posted about Agenda 21- which, the title when taken out of context sounds like something scary and Orwellian but is probably named such just because it comes between Agenda 20 and Agenda 22 in their file drawer. In reality, it's an unenforceable initiative about sustainable development, poverty reduction and environmental preservation that big governments are ignoring- not doing enough about anyway. So, whatever the fear is that it is tied in with an evil one world government conspiracy are groundless. And I am not sure how antipoverty and clean water and food initiatives as long as we share this planet can be called evil. Are you willing to dialogue with me about that?
unsafe
Posted on: 04/30/2014 14:59
Hi Kimmio
You are entitled to think you you like about what blackbelt and I believe ---I don't really care what others think ---again God will carry out His Plan for the end times His way not our way ----so it matters not what you or I or anyone else thinks ---we all have different views on the end times and what will happen ----God knows what will happen --we don't have to worry about it or be scared about it but for me I am interested in knowing what is going on in this world and I like to keep myself informed --- If you don't believe or care to be informed about all this that is your choice ----I personally think it is hard for people to believe that a Government would deliberately want to cause havoc amongst its people but Power and Greed can cause men to do bad things ----the Bible makes that very clear -----
Instead of doubting and questioning others who believe do some research and come up with your own conclusions ---the end time events will come about the way God directs them ----
Peace
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 04/30/2014 15:01
Cousin, what's wrong with unsafe presenting literalist views if indeed those are the views that she has? Would you have her do otherwise?