blackbelt1961
Mark of the Beast
Posted on: 04/25/2014 12:57
Scientist today Claim Human Microchip Implants Will Become “Not Optional”, in a world economic system that it is needed to work and live for even the basics niceties as food or banking. The upside is , you will be tracked 24/7, 365 day a yr till you die, a slave to the system.
To gain access to official services, you’ll need to be a verified human. Without verification you won’t even be able to purchase a six pack of beer, let alone get medical care or a driver’s license
And it is easy to imagine what a government could do with this kind of technology. It could use it to literally track the movements and behavior of everyone. Pre crime police against the state!
And one day, this kind of technology will likely be so pervasive that you won’t be able to open a bank account, get a credit card or even buy anything without having either your hand or your face scanned first
No doubt we are headed there, so is Revelations 13 really that far fetched???
Comments
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/30/2014 15:22
I actually support doing what we can to keep this world going fairly and peacefully- being discerning about what is and isn't fair or peaceful. For example, wars are not fair and they don't bring peace. Neither is or does oppression or destroying the planet. In some people's view that makes me a bad person- anti-Christian. I don't believe so. I don't believe it's a Christian calling to speed up 'End Times'. I believe we have fair warning not speed them up, but to make peace and heal damage, when we see damaging things taking place. To do the best we can. If we don't seperate the half truths and lies and look at the reality of situations- that feeds dangerous ideologies. So...all I was asking is for you to tell me what you believe about things like Agenda 21 and why. I told you why I don't believe it is tied to any sort of evil plan to take over the world and hurt people. There may be other things operating in the world that could have that consequence if we are ignorant about it, and I don't believe that's a good thing for humanity, but I also don't believe environmental sustainability and anti poverty initiatives are an evil conspiracy. Are you willing to tell me what you think about that?
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 04/30/2014 15:24
Let's keep this world going fairly and peacefully. I agree with you, Cousin. I believe we should work for the shalom of every community. I believe God wants to redeem all of creation, and wants us to join him in his mission.
As for Agenda 21, it sounds like a good name for a SciFi or spy story.
stardust
Posted on: 04/30/2014 15:30
Kimmio
Here's an interesting article about the UN headquarters in New York. I believe this to be true. To the best of my knowledge the UN is a very corrupt organization. You can do your own research. There has been talk about a replacement being badly needed.
Quote: New York UN
Working for the UN is not what it seems. You'd think it would be a great organization -- and it could be, if only the people who worked for it were great too.
An organization which was set up to promote social progress, human rights and justice is losing sight of these ideals within its own system. It operates in a time warp of its own with outdated and backward policies that have no place in the modern working world.
Why does nobody complain? Well, not only are people afraid of losing their jobs, but they could also lose their G-4 visas that enable them to stay in the U.S. -- and without which they and their families are flown back business class to their home country.
It is a multibillion-dollar gravy train and its staff are taking advantage of it while American and other taxpayers pay the bill. What's more, all this is going on right under the noses of hardworking New Yorkers as its main headquarters is based in this city.
UN staff ensure job security for themselves by having someone protect them inside the organization, who helps them obtain posts in better locations like New York. Despite this, they are among the meekest people on earth, afraid of saying or doing anything that could in any way jeopardize their cushy jobs.
I don't blame them for this either, as I worked there for many years and know what it's like. There's an atmosphere of fear and intimidation that pervades the place. Staff know if they go against senior management in any way, they'll face serious professional and personal retaliation.
American James Wasserstrom, a UN whistle-blower, is one example. After proving he suffered retribution for internal criticism, the UN Dispute Tribunal only awarded him around 2 percent of losses and damages claimed. He describes an organization in which "UN personnel who are aware of misconduct, corruption and fraud are likely to remain silent."
Wasserstrom has now asked the U.S. government to withhold 15 percent of its UN contribution for the organization's failure to protect whistle-blowers from retaliation, by invoking relevant provisions of federal law under the 2012 U.S. Consolidated Appropriations Act.
With such a work culture, one wonders how the organization can stand up for the downtrodden and underprivileged in this world. Can it accomplish anything significant, if its staff are so afraid of speaking up for themselves, let alone for others?
As nothing much changes with the UN these days, its current New York-based staff will most likely be here to stay. They may not stand up for others, but they will definitely stand together to protect their shared interest in maintaining the way things are today.
In fact, most of them won't even leave after they retire. That's when they'll apply for a green card which lets them stay in this country for as long as they like.
Too bad really, as the U.S. taxpayer deserves better than this -- and so does the rest of the world. the end
http://www.wondercafe.ca/discussion/politics/59-million-children-risk-hunger-disease-war-unicef-2014
lhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/ladan-rafii/united-nations-staff-mobility_b_3758115.html
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/30/2014 15:31
It does, but it's not. Like I said, I think that's probably just the label in the file drawer between Agendas 20 and 22. When we have staff meetings- the boss drafts an 'agenda' for discussion. It's nothing scarier than that, IMO. Glenn Beck managed to turn it into a conspiracy theory and sensationalize it.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/30/2014 15:39
Kimmio
Here's an interesting article about the UN headquarters in New York. I believe this to be true. To the best of my knowledge the UN is a very corrupt organization. You can do your own research. There has been talk about a replacement being badly needed.
Quote: New York UN
Working for the UN is not what it seems. You'd think it would be a great organization -- and it could be, if only the people who worked for it were great too.
An organization which was set up to promote social progress, human rights and justice is losing sight of these ideals within its own system. It operates in a time warp of its own with outdated and backward policies that have no place in the modern working world.
Why does nobody complain? Well, not only are people afraid of losing their jobs, but they could also lose their G-4 visas that enable them to stay in the U.S. -- and without which they and their families are flown back business class to their home country.
It is a multibillion-dollar gravy train and its staff are taking advantage of it while American and other taxpayers pay the bill. What's more, all this is going on right under the noses of hardworking New Yorkers as its main headquarters is based in this city.
UN staff ensure job security for themselves by having someone protect them inside the organization, who helps them obtain posts in better locations like New York. Despite this, they are among the meekest people on earth, afraid of saying or doing anything that could in any way jeopardize their cushy jobs.
I don't blame them for this either, as I worked there for many years and know what it's like. There's an atmosphere of fear and intimidation that pervades the place. Staff know if they go against senior management in any way, they'll face serious professional and personal retaliation.
American James Wasserstrom, a UN whistle-blower, is one example. After proving he suffered retribution for internal criticism, the UN Dispute Tribunal only awarded him around 2 percent of losses and damages claimed. He describes an organization in which "UN personnel who are aware of misconduct, corruption and fraud are likely to remain silent."
Wasserstrom has now asked the U.S. government to withhold 15 percent of its UN contribution for the organization's failure to protect whistle-blowers from retaliation, by invoking relevant provisions of federal law under the 2012 U.S. Consolidated Appropriations Act.
With such a work culture, one wonders how the organization can stand up for the downtrodden and underprivileged in this world. Can it accomplish anything significant, if its staff are so afraid of speaking up for themselves, let alone for others?
As nothing much changes with the UN these days, its current New York-based staff will most likely be here to stay. They may not stand up for others, but they will definitely stand together to protect their shared interest in maintaining the way things are today.
In fact, most of them won't even leave after they retire. That's when they'll apply for a green card which lets them stay in this country for as long as they like.
Too bad really, as the U.S. taxpayer deserves better than this -- and so does the rest of the world. the end
http://www.wondercafe.ca/discussion/politics/59-million-children-risk-hunger-disease-war-unicef-2014
lhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/ladan-rafii/united-nations-staff-mobility_b_3758115.html
Stardust, if it wasn't for the UN declaration of human rights and women's rights and children's rights- developed nations would be rampant with blatant racism, discrimination against people with disabilities, women wouldn't work and their husbands could abuse them, and 6 year olds would be working in factories- the fact that developed nations have supported UN declarations has been a good thing that you and I should be grateful for. It may not be perfect internally because it's run by people afterall, but that means we should make it better. Scrapping it leaves us with no alternative and that is much worse. Libertarian anarchy and vigilante rule of law is not better than general agreement about UN principles. With nothing to replace it, what do you think would happen?
stardust
Posted on: 05/02/2014 12:01
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Kimmio
Posted on: 04/30/2014 16:02
Yeah. That kind of unjust behaviour goes on all over the place- governments, companies, churches...everywhere. The whole top down corporate way of doing business could use revision. Well, the UN hires people and people can be not nice. But it's not an entirely failed organization. It can be turned into something better.
stardust
Posted on: 05/02/2014 12:00
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stardust
Posted on: 05/02/2014 11:58
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Kimmio
Posted on: 04/30/2014 17:17
Whoa! Yeah. That's bad. Not following their own rules and human rights policies. It's is grossly hypocritical to say the least. How do they screen and recruit their volunteers and staff- could be part of the problem. If they go to war torn places, places rife with corruption and conflict, do people just sign up- for lack of time to properly screen? Or are they screened before they go on missions? The White House is being sued over sex assaults in the US military too- so there is some internal corruption in many organizations.
stardust
Posted on: 04/30/2014 17:26
What can I say Kimmio.....I don't have answers for you. There is lots of ugliness and tragedy in the world. We're not living in utopia quite yet .......:(
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/30/2014 17:37
Nope.
UnDefinitive
Posted on: 04/30/2014 17:39
Thanks George ...
revjohn
Posted on: 04/30/2014 20:11
Hi blackbelt1961,
Furthermore, so called conspiracy theorists, is not what I base all on
I do not know if this is true or not.
All I do know is that everything you have linked to in this thread is from Conspiracy theorists.
You share that material in reaction to what is posted here by others which strongly suggests that you think it is a credible refutation.
The fabricated quotes from Rockefeller and Kennedy are two examples of where you appear to have put trust in material that is untrustworthy.
By quoting disreputable sources you undermine your own credibility.
Grace and peace to you.
John
revjohn
Posted on: 04/30/2014 20:21
HI unsafe,
Here is a Conspiracy Theory ---for us ----True or not true ---that is the question??????
Haarp again?
http://www.wondercafe.ca/discussion/global-issues/haarp-what-really-going
My money is on untrue.
Grace and peace to you.
John
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/30/2014 20:51
Hi John. Not saying you're wrong but the last video unsafe posted was an old CBC investigation. If it's all garbage, Wendy Mesley and Peter Mansbridge really put their journalistic integrity on the line. Which I don't put past them totally, but they're not tabloid journalists either. I generally trust their skills.
Kimmio
Posted on: 04/30/2014 20:46
I never bothered to pay any attention to Haarp prior to seeing that video- i'd heard about it but ignored it.
stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 12:45
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stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 12:45
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Kimmio
Posted on: 04/30/2014 23:23
Stardust- TED is sponsored by who? I'm curious. They often have really good presenters. As for Gates with a sinister plot to control population...hmmm. Could he have been misquoted or misinterpreted, by chance? 7 billion people is a lot of people. It is an issue. I sometimes wonder how we're going to manage when it gets up to 9 billion and packed into cities like sardines. People are living longer. The average life expectancy has gone way up. Aging is natural but with all the ways to defy it people are living longer- and not necessarily better. Quality not quantity. I don't want to live to be over 100 barely hanging on, personally. Although, maybe I'll feel differently if I make it to my 90s.
stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 12:44
stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 12:43
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chansen
Posted on: 05/01/2014 00:54
Stardust, you're irresponsibility here borders on the criminal. But I said elsewhere that I'm done with this thread, so I'll let others debunk your posts and links. You could do us all a favour by using Google and figuring it out for yourself and posting retractions.
stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 01:14
chansen
Google is available to everyone. They may do their own research re the pros and cons of the Gates articles they will find on google. If the information on the net was false don't you think Gates would have sued the pants off the publishers and media a long long time ago. There are pages and pages, many many websites containing the same news.
I've nothing against Gates or his foundation. My neice was treated well as an employee of his in Seattle. So...he's human.... unfortunately he's not perfect. I'm sorry you're so disappointed. This is old news and old material to me. I posted it before here on the WC.
stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 12:43
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Alex
Posted on: 05/01/2014 01:32
Have you ever added up the letters in Bill GAtes in ascii?
(Every letter, number, and symbol on a computer has a corresponding numerical ASCII code. It's not only the way a computer communicates behind the scenes, but a standardized way that computers can speak the same language to each another. Also, each letter or number on the keyboard has two different versions of the ASCII code, one called a decimal code and one called a hexadecimal equivalent.
Now take Bill Gates name.
B = 66
I = 73
L = 76
L = 76
G = 71
A = 65
T = 84
E = 69
S = 83
It adds up to 663. Nothing special you say. However remember he is Bill Gates the third. SO add 3 to 663 and you get 666. hmmm
Do you know what Revelation 13:18 says
Plus Bill Gates is responsible for WIndows, shall I go on
stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 01:40
Alex
I've heard about the Gates # 666 before, its funny. There are lots of names that add up to 666 in numerolgy -sp. Oh well, since we're anonymous on the net it starts out as being a lie doesn't it, not quite the truth. You're making me laugh, is the net the serpent in Eden???
Kimmio
Posted on: 05/01/2014 01:45
No, I try not to click on all links if I don't recognize them because they may contain viruses. I don't want to read conspiracy theory sites- reputable news sources and academic sites is okay- but when I see infowars type sites I won't generally click on them. I skip a lot of videos for the same reason. I don't like clicking on imbedded links either unless they are in a reputable news story because you don't know what they are.
stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 01:47
That's true Kimmio re the links. I have 3 yrs. repair service and warranty with Dell plus Mc Afee security from them which only cost me $20. so I'm a bit bold these days.
Alex
Posted on: 05/01/2014 01:53
Alex
I've heard about the Gates # 666 before, its funny. There are lots of names that add up to 666 in numerolgy -sp. Oh well, since we're anonymous on the net it starts out as being a lie doesn't it, not quite the truth. You're making me laugh, is the net the serpent in Eden???
It gets worse. Convert WIndows 95 to ascii and add up the numbers and you also get 666.
Thats why I use a Mac.
WCWJU Which Computer Would Jesus Use
stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 12:42
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stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 12:41
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stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 03:14
I was looking for more info.on vaccines. I came across this website news which I'm going to try and research W.H.O to see if its true. Its very devasating news. I find it hard to believe.
Quote:
W.H.O. Ensures Third World Child Vaccine Deaths Will Not Be Recorded – New Weakened W.H.O. Criteria For Third World Child Deaths From Vaccines
Link to this article: http://wp.me/pfSi7-235
Child deaths from vaccines in developing countries will be falsely recorded as not caused by the vaccine under a new W.H.O. watered down scheme for assessing “Adverse Events Following Immunisation” [AEFIs]. A child death from a vaccine will be recorded as ‘Not an AEFI’: Deaths in developing countries will count for less.
This new W.H.O. scheme comes at a time when third world child deaths associated with a newly introduced pentavalent vaccine could not previously be explained by W.H.O. as being by any cause other than the vaccine: ibid.
Many children are dying after administration of a new Pentavalent vaccine in Asia: eg. ‘Good’ 5-in-1 vaccine kills 5 times more kids than anything else. In each case WHO ‘experts’ could not find any other explanation under the previous scheme so they were forced to call it “Adverse event following immunization (AEFI) possibly due to vaccine“. Under the new scheme developed by W.H.O. since the introduction of the new pentavalent vaccine, the new system of classification simply states they are “Not an AEFI“: Deaths in developing countries will count for less.
Not only has W.H.O. weakened the previously accepted scheme for classifying vaccine adverse events in general for all developed and developing countries, the new scheme means just because some time or test criterion is not satisfied, and which is unlikely to be met in a third world country, then deaths of children in the third world will not count as caused by the vaccine: ibid.
This is like not classifying a pedestrian fatality as being death by an auto accident because the driver and car fled the scene.
The new scheme has been introduced by W.H.O. in collaboration with The Council for International Organizations of Medical Sciences (CIOMS). It is contained in a joint W.H.O./CIOMS report Definition and Application of Terms for Vaccine Pharmacovigilance.
A child vaccine death is the worst AEFI possible. Additionally, use of the new W.H.O. scheme will result in an important opportunity to pick up signals that could save lives being missed. This is dangerous and suggests a return to the prior Brighton Collaboration classification for vaccine adverse reactions is needed. Clearly, W.H.O. is not acting in the interests of children of the third world. This is similar to the position with UNICEF: How UNICEF Harms Third World Children And Misleads About Their Deaths.
waterfall
Posted on: 05/01/2014 06:49
Some ancient scrolls say the number is 616, not 666.
chansen
Posted on: 05/01/2014 09:24
chansen
Google is available to everyone. They may do their own research re the pros and cons of the Gates articles they will find on google. If the information on the net was false don't you think Gates would have sued the pants off the publishers and media a long long time ago. There are pages and pages, many many websites containing the same news.
"He did not sue them" is not a mark of credibility. If he did, the headlines on these third-rate websites would read, "Gates trying to silence critics." You're not thinking this through at all. You're using Google to find the worst stuff you can, then promoting it. That's incredibly irresponsible.
Take the "47,500 cases of paralysis and death" claim. Does that make sense? No, so go a little deeper. Get away from the crap websites and look for debunking sites like Metabunk and Snopes.
See, if you Google the 47,500 number, you get a lot of hits, right? You really think that's because it's true, or because the conspiracy sites don't care about truth and just report what the other conspiracy sites report, creating lots of sites parroting the same misinformation?
I could spend all day, every day, debunking lies on these sites. I don't have time for that. I'd go broke. The reason nobody sues them is many of them are difficult to pin down, or based in foreign countries, or have no money, etc. Websites are cheap or free, and there is nothing invested in these sites, so shut one down, and another would pop up. And even if Gates and others sued them, they'd just start screaming, "Persecution!" Someone like Gates can't win against these people, so the clear answer is not to play their game.
There is good conversation and information out there, but the truth is rarely as impressive or as entertaining as the conspiracy is. Most just recognize the conspiracy sites as liars and ignore them, as Pinga advised me earlier. She's right, because I have better things to do with my time, and most people will recognize lies when they see them. You don't. Blackbelt doesn't. For some reason, there will always be a subset of the population who would rather believe a scary lie, than even bother to look up the truth behind the lie. And even when the truth is found, or presented, many will still believe the lie and denounce the truth.
What I have to recognize, is that I can't fix that. I could tear your posts to shreads here, and I think most members here know that, and are cringing that I'm about to. Not this time. I'm asking you to find the good discussion from Metabunk that is easily found on Google, and do the responsible thing yourself. Start there, then learn how to filter the information in the future.
unsafe
Posted on: 05/01/2014 09:33
Hi revjohn your quote My money is on untrue.
You can certainly believe that -----that is your right -----the one I posted before was brought to my attention from a friend --I had never heard of it till then ---is it true ---I don't know and personally I don't care -----for it it is all about keeping informed as to what is going on all around the world for me personally ---God will look after how the end times will play out ---You or I will have no say in that ------and that is the truth -----Period
Grace and Peace to you
airclean33
Posted on: 05/01/2014 09:37
Some ancient scrolls say the number is 616, not 666.
revjohn
Posted on: 05/01/2014 09:44
Hi unsafe,
is it true ---I don't know and personally I don't care
Which is why you share it here.
for it it is all about keeping informed as to what is going on all around the world for me personally
And how informed are you about this?
You don't know if it is true or untrue and you claim not to care if it is true or untrue.
Are you sharing information or are you repeating gossip?
Are you being responsible or irresponsible?
Or are gossip and irresponsibility also things which you don't care about?
Grace and peace to you.
John
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 05/01/2014 09:52
616 ... be the death of me (sum=13) bad luck behrs ...
Then in Hebrew fullfillment is 1000 and 666 is 2/3rds ... and wasn't it said 2 out of 3 ain't bad ... sort of demiurgent as compared to a mind of triads ... where all three got it together or maybe the turd as the medium made chitty sense out of the errors of authoritative men?
Do quarks come in thirds and more variable that the inflexible learners of things beyond what was impressed on them as children to create hard points ... such were the things (ONYX) that nailed light to the cross ... so the moving on ... went on and thus thus too will pas or be beyond mortal thinking! And the myth is thus extremely extensive ...
As CS Lewis said it goes on in dimensions man can't even comprehend as a mortal ... if he does authority on fixations and the pious will declare him crazy and they shall be shunned.
This leads to intellect that is beyond us in myth ...
Saul_now_Paul
Posted on: 05/01/2014 09:57
Some ancient scrolls say the number is 616, not 666.
One of them is the oldest we have to date.
unsafe
Posted on: 05/01/2014 10:03
Hi revjohn
You can go on and on with all your comments ----we will just end up going around the mountain ----you have every right to think and believe what you want to and I have that same right ----
Grace and Peace to you and have a Great Day
revjohn
Posted on: 05/01/2014 10:03
Hi stardust,
I was looking for more info.on vaccines. I came across this website news which I'm going to try and research W.H.O to see if its true. Its very devasating news. I find it hard to believe.
What about the website makes you believe that it is reputable?
If Child Health Safety is reputable and responsible why aren't the owners/editors easily identifiable?
The site is full of garbage articles (and I am being charitable) claiming that various vaccines "cause" Autism Spectrum Disorders.
I cannot begin to list every flaw in every conclusion I have read in the last 15 minutes of my time reviewing this site.
What I can say is that I was aware that such ignorance existed and grows in its excremental quality exponentially. This site has more poop in it than a tanker truck full of liquid manure and it is infinitely less in value than a tanker truck full of liquid manure.
I can also say, in all honesty, that I regret spending the last 15 minutes of my time examining a site so full of fear-mongering, paranoia and irresponsibility.
Investigate W.H.O. all you want. If you can't look at an article on Child Health Safety and recognize it for the crap that it is how would you expect to be able to find the truth about W.H.O?
Grace and peace to you.
John
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 05/01/2014 10:29
If one uses their heart and mind can they come to balanced conclusions about such media reports?
But what if one deny's mind, soul and knowledge ... are they missing that psychic string of connection? Such is the networking targetted by authorities of avarice ...
Avaraice; the desire to control all things ... a factor unknown by many due to denial of soul! Thought and knowledge is disallowed in an emotional state of mind ...
Alas perhaps this is just another lie if all you've experience in the narrative is emotional positiveness and no downs ... it'll come to you no worries ... everything is in wa' eves ... Cosmological Chimeriis that appear as ripples in de night---Red Fox on cheep whines ... and omega'ds in de Shadow?
stardust
Posted on: 05/01/2014 12:39
Hi Rev. John
Quote from the Child Health Safety link I provided:
The new scheme has been introduced by W.H.O. in collaboration with The Council for International Organizations of Medical Sciences (CIOMS). It is contained in a joint W.H.O./CIOMS report Definition and Application of Terms for Vaccine Pharmacovigilance. end of quote
If you click the report above ( in blue) it does say W.H.0. and it goes on to list the contents. Its quite complicated. As I understood it the children sometimes may have had various health problems prior to vaccination so its not 100 % certain what caused their deaths. I can believe this in our third world countries and also considering that the populations run quite high. I will leave this link up until I can see if I can find further info. along the same lines.
Back in the 80's I used to phone the schools to take orders and numbers required to be delivered for the little orange Unicef Halloween boxes if you recall them? Man O man, did I run into problems with the Catholic boards especially one year. Word had gotten around that Unicef was affliated with W.H.O. who was providing abortion kits in the third world. Of course Unicef denied the allegations.
My job was to keep the Catholic schools on board with our Unicef Halloween programs. I didn't have any instructions regarding how to be a salesperson for Unicef...:( so my only recourse was to tell the Catholic school Unicef reps. about the great work Mother Theresa was doing regardless of the abortion rumors. I did succeed. I don't believe we lost any schools and the following year the W.H.O. episode had been quite forgotten. These types of articles do surface in the press or media on occasion.
Its no problem for me to delete posts here that bother yourself or others. I just thought it was old news, sort of common knowledge information. I'm sure I posted lots about the UN, Bill Gates, vaccinations etc. back in the early years of the WonderCafe. Possibly I never followed up on my posts to read the replies or results. I don't know about the articles I posted here in particular but I have come across quite similiar ones in newspapers or magazines through the years.
revjohn
Posted on: 05/01/2014 12:57
Hi stardus,
Its no problem for me to delete posts here that bother yourself or others
You miss my point.
Child Health Safety has numerous articles claiming a link between vaccines and autism.
There are no links.
There is no proof that vaccines cause autism.
With that in mind how can the other material at Child Health Safety be trusted?
Add to that their complete and utter failure to identify who belongs and operates the website.
I don't care if you investigate the W.H.O. or not. I do care that you are using a disreputable and dishonest site as a witness.
Grace and peace to you.
John
chansen
Posted on: 05/01/2014 13:24
Its no problem for me to delete posts here that bother yourself or others. I just thought it was old news, sort of common knowledge information. I'm sure I posted lots about the UN, Bill Gates, vaccinations etc. back in the early years of the WonderCafe. Possibly I never followed up on my posts to read the replies or results. I don't know about the articles I posted here in particular but I have come across quite similiar ones in newspapers or magazines through the years.
It's not old news, Stardust. It's old bullshit. It is so incorrect, it assaults the senses.
Posting it, when the truth is really easy to find, is irresponsible.
I'm not suggesting you retract your posts because they "bother" me at all. And here's the thing - I never wanted you to delete them. I'm trying to lead you to how you find better information than you've found thus far. Deleting stuff just puts it under wraps. Much more powerful would be you realizing just how wrong you were, and posting retractions as edits or after your older posts.
And again, yes, you can find this stuff in older publications. That does not make the claims correct - it makes them old. You are posting absolute bullshit. Google some of the claims you're repeating, and look up better sources. They're out there, but when most of the hits are cookie-cutter conspiracy sites, I understand how it can be a little confusing. Still, this is something you have to learn to do - filter information so you aren't just being used by the conspiracy sites in exactly the same sort of way as the conspiracy sites claim the government or UN is fooling you. The irony is thick here. Look around beyond the conspiracy sites.
Please don't delete those posts, Stardust. We need search engines to find the rebuttals to come so there are more links between the two. I'm hoping you can find and post them so I don't have to do it again.
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 05/01/2014 15:14
Senator, were both part of the same hypocrisy,,,,
LOL Love it
seeler
Posted on: 05/01/2014 14:01
Is this thread meant to be a joke?
Kimmio
Posted on: 05/01/2014 14:21
Is this thread meant to be a joke?
No. This is people getting freaked out about current events and looking to the wrong sources for information and creating mythical associations to Biblical prophecy instead of looking at the real trouble in the world for what it is.
Kimmio
Posted on: 05/01/2014 15:08
Revelation was written at a time when their "world" was rife with conflict and disaster and barbarism. They told their stories in the form of mythical visions. The peasants suffered and the elites were ignorant- things got ugly and very difficult in the 'world' they knew. Jesus showed them a way, "love your neighbours, and your enemies." Not unlike many periods in history, all over the world at one time or another- people of all faiths, nations, ethnicities, too. There are manipulations and abuses of power, uprisings and people who pursue peace and justice through peaceful and just means. There always has been this dynamic in the world. The whole human family. People who identify as Christian have no special rank or favour in Gods eyes - we just understand things through the lens of the stories in the bible instead of some other context. That doesn't change what really is happening in the world (rather than looking for make believe things). Not unlike today. History repeats itself. I used to think it wouldn't- history books seemed mythical "things are better now. That can't happen again" was what I was told. (now, look at what's happening in Eastern Europe between west and east...again...it's like a recurring nightmare that we have no control over- that's why I believe that there's a God- this is no coincidence. Sure it's human caused but how can the collective consciousness lead us to this...again?!) I wanted to believe that "that can't happen again". I have no doubt now things are not on a good trajectory for the time being, and we can learn something from the ancient prophets. It's disappointing but we have to live with it and do our best to care for one another, come what may. Take a look at what really is happening the world. It's obvious enough without following false prophets feeding people garbage to get attention. We don't know when the 'end' is. We could just be headed for another spin cycle. Seems like it to me.