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Do our cities do enough to protect cyclists?

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GordW

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To a large degree both answers are accurate but there was no choice for that...

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 The answer I would have voted for if it had been there would be: "No, the city should educate more the cyclistes and the taxi drivers about the rules and about mutual respect on the road."

In my neigbourhood, I'd say about 90% of the cyclistes I see are not respecting the rules (by rolling on the side walk, being on the wrong side of the raod, crossing on a red light, etc.). And when I am biking down town, I am extreamly careful when I see a taxi, because they often pull over without putting their flashers on.

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I didn't think the answers were close to what I believe...

As a driver, I'm very nervous about driving so close to bikes - they are hard to see, and with so many million things in a big city, I don't have confidence that I've seen everything I need to avoid. I take it really easy, and I'm sure most drivers do.  (and cyclists too)

For the millions of instances every day where a car/bus/taxi etc could hit a bike, it doesn't happen.  So I don't think it is as huge a problem as people think.  But the stress levels of both cyclists & drivers must be sky-high.

 

BTW - this Bryant/Sheppard disaster that happened had little to do with cyclists sharing roads with cars, just so happened that one person was horrendously outweighed by another and they had a fight.  I think its crazy that people are using it as an example of insensitive cars.

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As a parent of an adult child who was cycling to work and was struck by a car, I feel strongly that drivers often make mistakes that put cyclists in jeopardy. The more I have learned about this, the more I feel the need to have some massive education to drivers around it.

 

Perhaps some cyclists are obnoxious and aggressive but the majority do obey the rules, as do most drivers. Where the issue lies is that, when a driver makes a mistake or suffers inattention, as was the case with my daughter's situation, cyclists' lives are endangered. With the push for environmental and health reasons to get people walking and riding, more work needs to be done to accommodate the shift in commute patterns. Otherwise, cyclists die or are injured for life, as is my daughter.

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Birthstone

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exactly - cars are going to do more damage than bikes, every time.  That doesn't mean that drivers are doing the damage.  And it explains why I am petrified to drive downtown, past a cyclist on a city street.  Anything could happen.  A bump in the road, a pop can, a car door opening - anything could cause a cyclist to accidentally or defensively swerve into my path, no matter how careful I'm being.  And if the people in the lane beside me aren't watching for bikes too, they won't be able to give me room to react.

I dont' think it is a matter of drivers being rude and dangerous necessarily, but the roads are NOT set up for sharing, bike lane or not. 

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Or a forgotten shoulder-check when driver crosses the cycling lane (the shoulder)...

 

I agree that the roads aren't set up optimally for sharing but the reality is that they are shared, birthstone. Many drivers don't seem to remember that. And, the more cyclists try to remain unobtrusive, the more it seems they increase their risk of incident/accident.

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Listened to a guy from holland talking about how bikes there are licensed, all kids write a test in grade 5, all obey the road rules.......  We need to get doing that.

 

I see bikes going down the wrong side of the road or the wrong way on one ways, or through stop lights and stop signs daily.  Tehy run up beside you when you are turning right, they cut in between cars on the road when traffic is heavy.

 

I see cars not giving them room and yet it's hard.  Today, i was on Queen st.  A streetcar coming towards me, a parked car on my side, a bike squeezing between me and the parked car, no way for me to edge over.  Yikes!

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I've ridden my bike a lot.  I have done the typical urban cyclist stunt and morphed from vehicle to pedestrian traffic in the flick of an eyelash; one of the skills learned from growing up in a small town and being able to make quick decisions . . .  but from traffic safety issues this is considered bad bad. 

 

Still, that behaviour has never gotten me into trouble.  In fact, the only time I ever had an accident with a car was when I was going on a through lane and a car approached out of a stop sign and into me.  Fortunately, she had just started to roll through the intersection from a full stop and I rolled off the trunk.  My front tire was bent, but I was in shape, sort of enjoyed the roll ( sorry, just the truth) and wasn't hurt.  Because of all of that,   I didn't get her to pay to fix the bike but should have. 

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I don't own a car so I walk everywhere in downtown Toronto.  I am surprised how often I see cyclists not wearing helmets.  I've seen several cyclists drive right in front of cars where the car had the right of way.  I would not want to ride a bike on downtown Toronto streets with the chaos that I see on a daily basis.

 

I agree with another poster that the Michael Bryant situation had nothing to do with the typical cyclist accident.  I'm not sure what version of the accident to believe but it seems it had a lot to do with the cyclist being drunk and starting a fight. 

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Motheroffive

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While I agree that this situation isn't typical, and perhaps the cyclist was drunk and started a fight, it doesn't justify Michael Bryant's apparent response of using his vehicle as a weapon.

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jesouhaite777

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I agree with another poster that the Michael Bryant situation had nothing to do with the typical cyclist accident.

Actually he is

Arrogant

Ignornant

And it was only a matter of time before he killed someone or got killed too bad it was someone who had a life and a career and a purpose other than being angry with people who achieved these things.